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    I read an interesting commentary on this case. The author of the commentary suggested (I have no idea if this is true or not) that under Federal law the prosecutor doesn't have to show "mens rea" (a guilty mind). That is you can blindly break the law without any intention but still you broke the law and so you are guilty.
    i think it is correct.

    Yea, the IRS promulgates a lot of Regs and Rulings and they have their own enforcement fellas, but there is a robust history of judicial oversight from multiple Courts, so other than being real careful, and being highly specialized and sticking to that speciality, it isn't that big of deal. I won't hardly touch anything International, for example. I'd hate to be a youngster now though............

    Shockwave; I pretty much agreed with you until those last two paragraphs. They kind of came out of.............well.............I just didn't get it. Kind of unsupported hyperbole? You're the Editor so I'll let you support those statements. I'm not being confrontational or combative, those just kind of jumped out of some weird space. Sorry. And don't blame it on "beancounters". They rarely make decisions, they provide options to the decision makers. I don't worry much about any of it to be honest, and if I do, it's only 18-24" or so. Big deal. That's why we have software and insurance, eh?


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    and of course reality TV like cops, state troopers, dea, the fish and game one, and others all help to glamorize this, desensitize the sheep to this happening, make them think it is acceptable, and indoctrinate them into thinking this is normal and OK.....

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    If you really want to test the capacity of your foil hats, look at the number of prison beds available in the same time frame.

    Ta ta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    If you really want to test the capacity of your foil hats, look at the number of prison beds available in the same time frame.

    Ta ta.
    The tax fleece on drugs is why the numbers have increased exponentially

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    They already have you, if they want you. If you own property, you are almost assured to be in violation of some sort of EPA regulation. Off the top of my head, you will likely find some portion of your soil that has higher than 7 ppm of arsenic. If the EPA finds it, they can require you to remediate it at tremendous cost to yourself, using guidelines that they themselves are not sure of, nor will they ever sign off that you have corrected the problem to their satisfaction (that would require accountability on their end).

    Arsenic, asbestos, lead paint - every building in North America could be gigged on a health violation, with the local state arm or the EPA itself having the liberty of fining you whatever they see fit. Yes you can fight it in court, but the precedent will be in favor of the gov't. See any room for corruption and under-the-table payoffs here?

    The bottom line is that if big brother wants you, they're gonna get you. You can 'go off the grid', but they're gonna take your land and everything that you can't carry with you, if they really want you. I've learned the hard way to stay under the radar.
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    The war on drugs is an excellent way to fleece tax dollars for unneeded equipment..... but not the war on terror has become the latest rage to waste tax dollars and it too is growing exponentially..... and we wonder why we are in so much national debt


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    Quote Originally Posted by gunthorp View Post
    Without delay, ask all you know in the military and police to join the Oath Keepers. Don't bother with the TSA agents or Internment and relocation specialists in the National Guard.

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    When I was a LEO if somebody came to me with this I would have laughed in their face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I read an interesting commentary on this case. The author of the commentary suggested (I have no idea if this is true or not) that under Federal law the prosecutor doesn't have to show "mens rea" (a guilty mind). That is you can blindly break the law without any intention but still you broke the law and so you are guilty.
    That's standard for federal crimes. Congress intentionally writes them to be strict liability these days. In addition, everything is a felony, and the penalties are absurd. That's why you can get decades in jail for trivial paperwork errors like transposing digits in your birthday. It's like statutory rape, where a showing of due diligence on your part won't save you from a conviction. Blackstone's admonition about jailing the innocent has been kicked to the curb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rammerjammer View Post
    What's scary is that as Big Brother grows in size, the LEO's sworn to protect us will be the ones to take our liberties away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockwave View Post
    Oh, the Gibson guitar company got into trouble because they were using rare materials. Boo hoo hoo. They can use sustainable products and achieve better results.
    Not quite.
    The issue with the wood used by Gibson is basically a matter of where and how many times it is cut. It matters not one whit to the U.S. government how much of the trees are wasted. If Gibson imports an unfinnished piece of wood and makes one hundred guitar neck finger boards from it, that is illegal. If instead locals in India or Madegascar cut down the same tree and hack away at it so they end up with only a single fingerboard from the same ammount of source material and then sell that to Gibson that is O.K.
    As far as using sustainable materials in many product lines they do and have models that are certified as such. As far as better results, are you speaking better dimensional stability or feel, or aesthetics, or overall acoustics of the guitar as a whole? And how in such subjective matters do you define "better"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by randian View Post
    That's standard for federal crimes. Congress intentionally writes them to be strict liability these days. In addition, everything is a felony, and the penalties are absurd. That's why you can get decades in jail for trivial paperwork errors like transposing digits in your birthday. It's like statutory rape, where a showing of due diligence on your part won't save you from a conviction. Blackstone's admonition about jailing the innocent has been kicked to the curb.
    Well, at least now and again it backfires and gets one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunsnroses View Post
    Thanks for that, gunsnroses. It reminds me that morality has no defense - only obligation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doghandler View Post
    Thanks for that, gunsnroses. It reminds me that morality has no defense - only obligation.
    It reminds me that many people can't differentiate between our founding fathers and trespassing kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doghandler View Post
    Thanks for that, gunsnroses. It reminds me that morality has no defense - only obligation.
    We do what we can, sir.

    This picture reminds me that the framers made specific provisions for "the people" to peacefully assemble and descent from their government......but then the pepper spray starts flying and we start to really analyze just exactly who is in control and how we can regain our freedoms that somehow has been eroded from us.

    I just cant make it clear enough that this is NOT just about guns....its everything, little by little....and I cant honestly say that one political party is better then the other. They both have their own agenda. But I do know one thing for certain.....you and I will always be the losers!
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    Are these the same Founding Fathers who wasted no time at all making Sedition Laws and crushing citizens in the Whiskey Rebellion? At least the real world that I live in had these events wintin a few years of 1789.

    I prefer to stay grounded in the reality based world of fact and reason, and not live in the fantasy based world of emotion.

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