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    Pros: Security can defend itself against armed threats.
    Cons: Liability that comes with it.
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    I've worked both armed and unarmed security... Once I even opted to leave the weapon at the office as I felt that if BGs suspected I was armed, they'd just back shoot me or thump me and take the bank bag. The bank is insured, the hotel I was couriering for was insured... We were insured too... but stuff is replaceable... people ain't.

    For Personal Security (protective detail), armed.
    For "stuff" security, not so much.

    Gone are the days of armed guards in banks (for the most part). Sometimes off duty LEO fills the role (in full PD uniform, locally) at banks... but that is less liability than the bank would have with it's own guards (armed).
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    Interesting topic.
    My two cents.

    First off... hiring off duty police is not hiring security. The Police off or on duty is not security. Just as Security is NOT the police. The hope is that a POLICE presence will deter what ever wrongdoing. Most of the time it works. But thats still not security.

    I'm a retired Police Officer who works security(part time) in a small hotel chain, with big hotels. OK... so armed vs unarmed. I believe that all security should have an armed component. Be it one man, a supervisor, or a rotating guard. Mostly the security staff is tasked with up-holding company policy, and rules, performing loss prevention, looking for missing lost guests, care and custody of found property, uniformed presence as a deterrent... Mostly tasks that dont require the need for a firearm. However there are tasks performed by security that may well require the use of a firearm. Evictions, some disputes, crimes against the persons of guests, cash movement, certain local events.

    As mentioned a professional survey may be in order. IMO like in most professions there should be a tiered approach. With the top tier being armed response individual or teams. I also believe that any security in the hospitality industry must maintain a higher level of accuracy then found in other places.
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    Only Pro that may be a Con in armed Security would be the fact that Bad Guys may tend to "HIT" a casino with unarmed Security rather than risk a gunfight in a place with Armed Security,If they hit a place with Armed Security the chances are they did their homework and will have a big enough crew to disarm the armed guards before they hit the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    How about the ability of the SOs to defend themselves and others, something that most of us take for granted. I'd rather flip burgers than work unarmed security.
    It may be your preference but you probably wouldn't if you worked at a burger joint where I lived and had the opportunity to work at a posh gated community like I do. Alhough I can't carry on the job, I'm in no way unarmed.
    Why?? Because at the last second, the Police are minutes away.

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    I have worked Armed Security and I can say there are quite a bit of pros to it.

    In VA the biggest pro is the fact that unlike police officers, armed guards can uphold property rules that aren't covered by local laws. For instanced, a property I had worked had an 8:00PM Curfew for minors while the city had an 11:00PM curfew for minors. People would often call the police to deal with a group of minors in the street or playground, but the police could really only intimidate them into going inside. Eventually the kids wised up and started giving the police the run around until they were left alone. Me, being the "Agent of the property" could tell kids to go inside on the grounds that I would let the rent office know to send their parents 21/30 as well as write a ban notice to minors who did not reside on the clients property.

    Another pro is that (in VA at least) Armed Guards do not have to have probable cause to stop an interview a person on the property that they are hired to guard. Which has led me to making a number of arrests for things such as concealed weapons without a permit and marijuana. In VA, armed security guards have the same arrest authority as LEO's do on the property they are contracted to guard.

    Cons are universal.. You run the risk of hiring a dip **** who wants to play cop, as well as the things other people have stated previously.

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    I have a LE background as well as having experience in nuclear, retail, cash in transit, private investigation, personal protection and site security work. I'm currently a state licensed Instructor for security licensing.

    In my experience when John Q Public see's a LE/SO type uniform they expect and assume that individual to be armed, when they discover that isn't the case the Officer just got dropped several rungs in their level of respect for their authority and their ability to provide an acceptable level of protection.

    Uniformed Security is all about deterrence. Unarmed Security is universally viewed as a joke. However just being armed isn't going to necessarily give the desired deterrence result. It takes well uniformed, well groomed, uniformly armed, professionally trained Security Officers with a professional demeanor to give the authoritative presence necessary to provide a good level of deterrence. Further you can not rely on state mandated minimum training standards to provide you with the quality of Officer you desire. You need to look to in house training designed for you specific needs to accomplish that.

    In my experience prior military make much better candidates than do LE.

    Pros - Deterrence, respect and projection of customer safety

    Cons - expense and level of effort required to achieve result.
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    Seeing as how TAPS-CCW posted this 5 years ago, I'm going to guess his boss has made his decision by now.

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    Its going to cost you to get quality armed guards Ex military, LEOs. I've seen some armed guards that I wouldn't trust with a fork. Unless your boss is willing to shell out that kind of money I don't think it is worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgb View Post
    Uniformed Security is all about deterrence. Unarmed Security is universally viewed as a joke. However just being armed isn't going to necessarily give the desired deterrence result. It takes well uniformed, well groomed, uniformly armed, professionally trained Security Officers with a professional demeanor to give the authoritative presence necessary to provide a good level of deterrence. Further you can not rely on state mandated minimum training standards to provide you with the quality of Officer you desire. You need to look to in house training designed for you specific needs to accomplish that.
    You nailed it.

    An armed guard can quickly become a deficit to a property if he looks like a fat lump. There was this one guy I worked with, he was one of those Toysrus town sheriffs and he got zero respect because he was severely overweight, always had a wrinkled shirt, his sideburns weren't trimmed, his shirt was always poorly tucked, and he had teeth that looked like he just ate horse crap. The guy never had any military/law training, and you could tell that he clearly never tried to learn anything either.

    Needless to say he got zero respect from the residents, thugs, or local police.

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