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Soldiers on this mission are allowed one 30 round magazine for self defense but the ROE pretty much ties their hands.
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Like I said... bring a squirt gun. That just pisses me off. Not that you NEED more than 30rnds... but I wouldn't mind having it. The #1 thing you want as soon as steel starts flying... more ammo. Could be 2 tangos with handguns, you with an M4, you are still going to want more than one freakin mag. And its not so much for illegal border crossers... but for the drug gangs that are ever-so-prevalent along the border, who are known to carry full auto ARs to protect themselves and their product. Good luck to my fellow soldiers headed down there. Makes me wonder if they will take the buildup of troops as a hostile act...Originally Posted by SpencerB
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I'm glad it's not me going!
Last edited by SpencerB; February 17th, 2012 at 09:57 PM.
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You better tab out!
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Already passed range estimation, stalking, and target detection!
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I am in this camp on this one.
Something has to be done, even if its not the "Best " idea, its something of a "shot across the bow" to the infidels and border breechers
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Wrong. They are soldiers. If you want them there then give them badges and have them play border patrol using the ROE that they use and LE use. They are there to prevent illegal activity. That is not a soldiers job. PERIOD. If the solution is we need more on the border, reduce the military by 20000 and rehire them in a proper capacity. This is a bandaid fix to a arterial bleed. Just plain wrong in my book.
I don't care who they send as long as someone gets a handle on it. Why bicker over who does it?
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Because it is not why we have a military. They are not there for law enforcement roles. When I joined it wasn't for LE. If so I would have been a cop. We should care. That is why there are federal laws dictating who is responsible for what. If you don;t care who does what, do you want to throw out EO 12333 which deals with intelligence activities also. I don't care,,pleez.
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I believe it's easy to be a critic from hundreds of miles away. Ask the people ON the border what they think...
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It is not being a critic. It is stating what our armed forces are for. And quite frankly it doesn't matter what anybody wants if it is wrong. The point is there is a problem and it needs to be solved the correct way. If they need more people which I am pretty darn sure is what is needed, get more border agents. Let soldiers train for what they are trained for. Being "100's of miles away" is a lame remark which makes no sense whatsoever.
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Must've been a pretty good "lame" remark, since you seem to believe it was solely directed at you. I'm pretty darn sure that there are people that are there that have a much better understanding of what needs to be done then you do.
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Its an election year. Someone has to look like there doing something.....Right, wrong, left, right, blue, green.......Its a show..
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This is not a civic law issue. It's an invasion. Using the military to REPEL THE INVADERS, doesn't bother me in the least. Just give them the tools to GET THE JOB DONE.The deployment of our military within our borders to enforce civil law is controversial
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Its all political. When I was in El Paso we had military spotters. They were unarmed and we had to guard them, they were operating in an urban environment and had no clue what they were doing and would not listen to us telling them what we needed them to report.
For example; Bowie High School is 2 fences and a 4 lane highway from the Rio Grande. Adjacent to Bowie HS is the Chamizal memorial park, adjacent to that is the Bridge of the Americas connecting Mexico and the US. Legit foot traffic was called out as non-legit traffic constantly. Think about this, during school hours there are THOUSANDS of pedestrians. We finally started asking them " Did you see them cross the river?" to which the normal reply was " Negative". My reply was always the same " Then do not call them out". The result was a lawsuit that the GOV lost.
They tied up our radios tremendously, having no idea as to our protocols and procedures. We were given no operational control as to where they would be assigned to help us the most or what they should be looking for.
Done properly it can be a great asset, however, there are too many egos involved.
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