What if drugs went away?

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    What if drugs went away?

    The anti-gunners are constantly screaming about how wonderful the world would be if all guns would somehow magically go away. They believe people would stop hurting each other and live together in peace and harmony.

    My thought is how wonderful would it be if we were to somehow, magically, stop the flow of drugs into the US? How would all of those drug dealers make money? Would they quit crime and get legit jobs, suddenly becoming contributing members of society? Or would they simply turn to another type of crime? Something more violent perhaps?

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    Neither are going away, ever so the question is irrelevant. Just like asking how life would be if we all lived in peace and harmony.

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    Never happen after all look at how well prohibition worked, ban alcohol and all our problems will go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PB2 View Post
    ...My thought is how wonderful would it be if we were to somehow, magically, stop the flow of drugs into the US? ......

    No 'magic' is needed. Legalization would diminish (if not outright stop) the flow and would certainly work much better than the foolish and wasteful 'war on drugs'.

    Of course, legalization is not a panacea. There would still be drug addicts and all kinds of other social and moral issues to address. But to me, a 'drug problem' should be treated medically, not criminally.

    Just MHO.....

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    Will you guys quiet down a little, I'm having trouble hearing Bambi and Thumper talking to each other in the woods
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    As long as there is a market for drugs in the US there will be drugs coming in. You want to stop the in part, stop the using part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglebeak View Post
    Will you guys quiet down a little, I'm having trouble hearing Bambi and Thumper talking to each other in the woods
    I like the Bambi and Thumper in the James Bond movie "Diamonds are Forever"
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    Legalize drugs. Let the State tax them, have a Federal tax as well, and there goes a big part of the deficit. Also, the quality would be controlled better, so less chances for OD cases, and complications from bad stuff being used to cut the street drugs. The war on drugs has never worked, and will never work, and our prisons are filled with users who should not be there, taking up space they could use for violent criminals.

    The side benefit to all that would be fewer street shootings due to drug deals gone bad, or somebody trying to take somebody elses "territory". So the anti gun folks would be happier because of fewer shootings, and everybody else would rest a bit easier knowing that it would be less likely for someone to break into their home or business to get money for drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Neither are going away, ever so the question is irrelevant. Just like asking how life would be if we all lived in peace and harmony.
    We don't? Rats!
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    Then what's next ? Drud stamps instead of Food stamps
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    I was reading an article, one that I think was referenced in another thread, regarding why burglars do what they do and how they choose their targets. The introduction, which contained mostly interviews, made it abundantly clear that the primary reason was to support the drug based lifestyle. The 'war on drugs' is a failure. It is time for it to end. Legalize them and take both the crime and money out of it. Until we solve the problem of the special interest that are getting rich off the scheme, this will never happen. It is interesting to note that the good ol'US of A has the highest incarceration rate of any westernised nation, largely due to drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    I was reading an article, one that I think was referenced in another thread, regarding why burglars do what they do and how they choose their targets. The introduction, which contained mostly interviews, made it abundantly clear that the primary reason was to support the drug based lifestyle. The 'war on drugs' is a failure. It is time for it to end. Legalize them and take both the crime and money out of it. Until we solve the problem of the special interest that are getting rich off the scheme, this will never happen. It is interesting to note that the good ol'US of A has the highest incarceration rate of any westernised nation, largely due to drugs.
    If we rewrote all of our drug laws, not just the parts dealing with presently illegal ones, so that obtaining beneficial medicines didn't necessarily require a trip to a doctor, we'd save
    a small fortune on medical care and let the fully qualified docs do some real world work instead of meeting with people who make appointments just to get
    a medicine they have used for 30 years renewed.

    At least half of the prescription drugs which are used to treat chronic conditions could go off Rx and a great many of the controlled ones don't need to really be controlled.

    The whole system is a sort of welfare or make work for one segment. I'm not against the docs, and I want them to be able to make a good living, but they should be
    advisors and diagnosticians, not prescribers, and what we call prescriptions should be renamed "recommendations." If you know what you need you don't need to be
    spending a ton of money for a prescription because you don't need the recommendation in the first place.

    Yup, some folks will go wrong and take stuff they shouldn't....too bad. We'd mostly benefit by the resulting freedom.
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    Hopyard, you raised an interesting twist to this thread. The short of it is that I agree with your post. Medical care is another one of those areas where collectively as a nation we spend approximately double per capita compared to the rest of the developed world and we're are not getting the results were paying for. Frequently, I hear the argument that the best care in the world is available here. Of that, I have no doubt, but it is not available to the average person. Somebody is making a fortune off the system, yet everyone claims that they aren't making any money. Doctors should, as you put it, make a good living and I would clarify that by saying good, not extravagant. The entire medical system in this country is in need of a cold boot reset, wipe, reformat, and re-install.

    I rarely go to a doctor and I need to be pretty sick before I do. The last time i went, I was pretty sure I had the swine flu (that year it was breaking out in the US) as I had about 4 close co-workers all tested and diagnosed with it. When I started getting sick, I went to the Dr with the intent to get checked for it and if I had it get some of the medicine to help cut it short (my coworkers who got it reported feeling pretty well within 24 hours). The stupid overpaid pedigree refused to even check me for it because I didn't seem, sick enough. they gave me a prescription for some "strong cold medicine" that makes you sleep for about 4-6 hours. Days later I continued to get sicker and got to the point where I had a moderate fever and was starting to have difficulty breathing and wheezing. Of course this was over a holiday weekend, where the Dr office would have been closed and I refused to go to the hospital. Finally, I took some left over antibiotics for a dental prescription (I had a 8-10 days supply). Within less than 24 hours of starting those, the fever was all but gone as was the wheezing and I could breath easy again. Oddly enough, respiratory problems and pneumonia are a complication of the swine flu that the idiot wouldn't test me for. I mention this story because antibiotics are one of those "controlled" substances that should probably be in everyone's SHTF bag.

    The attitude in this nation towards pain pills is similarly disgusting. It used to be, and I assume it still is, legal to buy Tylenol with codeine OTC in Canada. It isn't terribly strong stuff, but it is more powerful than Advil or Tylenol alone. Codeine is also one drug that will usually stop a migraine cold. Here in the wonderful USA if a Dr prescribes it, it gets noted on their record and if they have to answer for it if they prescribe it too much. Setting aside the fact that most narcotic pain killers are safer and have fewer side effects than the stuff that you can get OTC, your typical Dr is loath to prescribe them. As I mentioned, codeine is excellent against migraines, yet someone who has them once in a while, as in once every month or two, can't get it and instead gets put on some expensive take every day maintenance crap that isn't very effective and makes you feel worse than the headache (all the time). Of course it is extremely effective at fattening the drug companies bottom line, but that's about all.

    As with just about anything if you follow the money trail you can come to a pretty good understanding of why things are the way that they are.
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    If we stopped or legalized drugs then how would the theives in Washington (congressmen and senators) continue getting richer? If they wern't benifitting ($$$) from illegal drugs or illegal immagrents they woul have stopped both a long time ago. The govment would like us not to be armed easer to control that way

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