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    It's not just this administration.

    When I was still a cadet, we had the President pay us a visit. All of our rifles were inspected prior to the parade, to make sure none had a firing pin.

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    When I first read the headline on Drudge I couldn't believe it. This is a profound insult and g d those responsible for this. They betrayed the ethos.
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    "the base commander didn't want the Marines to be treated differently
    than their Afghan counterparts" ,,,,, shame on the base commander,,,, but
    the Marines are AMERICAN and therefore SHOULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.

    Excuse me ,,,,, but you know it is SO. More the political correction CRAP.

    If I was given the choose between listening to Mr. Panetta,,,,, or keeping my weapon
    I would never heard him PERIOD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullet1234 View Post
    "the base commander didn't want the Marines to be treated differently
    than their Afghan counterparts" ,,,,, shame on the base commander,,,, but
    the Marines are AMERICAN and therefore SHOULD BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.

    Excuse me ,,,,, but you know it is SO. More the political correction CRAP.

    If I was given the choose between listening to Mr. Panetta,,,,, or keeping my weapon
    I would never heard him PERIOD
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    I think one of the principles of the board owners and moderators is to not promote in any fashion any illegal
    act. I think you just said you would disobey. Can you say UCMJ-Court Martial etc.?

    I know people just say stuff they truly don't mean without really thinking it through when
    they post on open forums. So we can I suppose take that with a grain of salt.

    Meanwhile, remember, there is one chain of command, and it is headed by the lawful civilian
    authorities. Presently, that chain starts with President Obama and Secretary of Defense Panetta.
    Maybe that will change in Nov. and maybe it won't. Either way, if you are active duty your loyalty must be
    to your chain of command; especially per the enlisted person's oath.
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    Pathetic.
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    Neither President or SecDef had anything to do with this. The Area Commander, a Marine General, made the call on this. I spent 30 years on active duty in the USMC and we were never armed for meetings with any VIPs. 6 years of my time was in RVN and we were not allowed to be armed even at USO shows. There was always a perimeter security element and it was big enough to stop any outside attacks. I am sure the same SOP prevailed here. Making a civilian issue out of a military situation is ridiculous anyways. I never felt anybody was insulting me when I turned my m-16 in to go to a U.S. show. I was trained to expect security measures. "Much ado about nothing."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    I think one of the principles of the board owners and moderators is to not promote in any fashion any illegal
    act. I think you just said you would disobey. Can you say UCMJ-Court Martial etc.?

    I know people just say stuff they truly don't mean without really thinking it through when
    they post on open forums. So we can I suppose take that with a grain of salt.

    Meanwhile, remember, there is one chain of command, and it is headed by the lawful civilian
    authorities. Presently, that chain starts with President Obama and Secretary of Defense Panetta.
    Maybe that will change in Nov. and maybe it won't. Either way, if you are active duty your loyalty must be
    to your chain of command; especially per the enlisted person's oath.
    Hopy I don't know where you are coming from on this one. Excusing the typo the man said "If I was given the choice". To me that statement implies that he was not (hypothetically) ordered to both be there and be disarmed.

    I recall my time in the service and very rarely was I "given the choice".
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    I think everyone has completely missed the point and jumping to some pretty outlandish conclusions.

    This was a no-brainer tactical move that left the military command with no other choice but to disarm every soldier in attendance.

    All soldiers are trained to shoot the enemy on sight - are there still any questions?
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    Two millenia ago we would have observed that our young emperor has lost the trust and loyalty of the legions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post

    remember, there is one chain of command, and it is headed by the lawful civilian
    authorities. Presently, that chain starts with President Obama and Secretary of Defense Panetta.
    Maybe that will change in Nov. and maybe it won't. Either way, if you are active duty your loyalty must be
    to your chain of command; especially per the enlisted person's oath.
    I agree.
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    This type of action has occured in the past and will continue.

    When Anwar Sadat, President of Egypt, was assinated by his own troops shortly after we had the current US President pay us a visit at Lejuene. We were issued rifles for pass and review with no bolts in them. It was a slap in the face to me then as this is now.

    Yes the Marine General in charge made the decision with I am sure guidance from above. I also understand an Afghan was found on the tarmac at another camp with a firebomb waiting for the SECDEF's aircraft to land.

    But such is todays world.
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    SecDef has all soldiers disarmed...Mmmmmm.
    I wonder when BHO will have his Secret Service disarmed? Can never be too careful, don't ya' know!;banghead:
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    This has happened before and will happen again. That is true, still boils down to trusting your soldiers. If a commander does not trust his ( her) soldiers, what does that say about that chain of command and it's leadership? Something to ponder. As an 82nd soldier we stoop on a parade field with m-16 ( include all functioning pieces) with exposed bayonette while dignitaries were present. That being the whole division.

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    If the SecDef initiated this, shameful. Can't trust armed troops in a combat zone or no testicular fortitude to brave it out, stay home.
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