USMC Discharges Sgt. For Criticism of POTUS on Facebook

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    When one ignores the "Thin Ice" warning, one occasionally falls through it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    When one ignores the "Thin Ice" warning, one occasionally falls through it.
    Paranoia, hard destroyer! (being paranoid has kept me and the 'men' safe once or twice. Superior accuricy through superior volume of fire...... :-)

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    This whole situation with this Marine has 'stupid' written on it! His or the rules, you decide.

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    It is my opinion, (as I am sure that he took this oath to get into the Marines;

    I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
    And then posted this on facebook:

    "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."
    And then given this:

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    )that he got off easy with a "less than honorable discharge".
    It could have been a lot worse for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdp751 View Post
    I feel so bad for him because of what he was trying to do... if I remember correctly he said.. I will not follow (((unlawful orders))) to disarm the citizens of United States... He was standing up for us. The keyword here is unlawful orders, which he does have the right to refuse. When he took his oath it was to protect the Constitution of United States. There are only a handful of people in the United States willing to stand up like he did. I hope he gets a lot of support in the future. Former Marine
    The article states that he posted this:

    "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him."
    and also this:

    Stein later clarified that statement, saying he would not follow unlawful orders.
    but who knows if he wasn't already in trouble when he made that clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStick View Post
    Don't you lose some of your freedoms with a less than honerable discharge? Or is that just if it is dishonerable? Like the right to bear arms?
    Yes, you cannot work for the federal govt, not teach in public schools, etc. What will probably happen is the former marine will petition for an administrative discharge so he can work for Uncle sometime in the future...

    On the plus side, He is eligible for 99 months of govt benefits however... ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cook74 View Post
    Yes, you cannot work for the federal govt, not teach in public schools, etc. What will probably happen is the former marine will petition for an administrative discharge so he can work for Uncle sometime in the future...

    On the plus side, He is eligible for 99 months of govt benefits however... ;)
    Are you sure about public schools? My understanding is you can not go back into the military or seek FEDERAL employment. State and local government jobs are Okee Dokee I thought. Been years since I had a soldiers out on an other than honorable so I don't honestly remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene83 View Post
    Was that the 343rd Quartermaster Corps Unit where the Commanding Officer and First Sergeant were replaced as a result of the units actions or are you referring to another incident?
    Replaced but not what they did to the Marine.
    I fully understand what happen and why. What concerns me is selective enforcement.
    He should have been Article 15 and been the end of it. If He no long wish to follow orders then discharged but not the way they did it.
    Obama sent a message to the military and he was the scape goat.
    This type of stuff goes on all of the time. Nothing new. Just in the past it has been handled different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty901 View Post
    Replaced but not what they did to the Marine.
    I fully understand what happen and why. What concerns me is selective enforcement.
    He should have been Article 15 and been the end of it. If He no long wish to follow orders then discharged but not the way they did it.
    Obama sent a message to the military and he was the scape goat.
    This type of stuff goes on all of the time. Nothing new. Just in the past it has been handled different.
    In Bold: How long were you in the army? The army judicial system is based off of selective enforcement!!!! This is just a high profile case that if not for the news we would never have heard about. And 5 bucks says that (I am speaking for army) if he was in the army he would have had 10 different outcomes if he was in 10 different units. You as a First Sergeant know that not all folks are treated equal and not all commands use common sense with how they administer non-adin punishments to who gets chapter ed out and their disposition.
    In a way it is no different than the civilian system. Two folks with commit a crime in the same state and all things being equal they are brought before two different judges. One gets 5 years in jail, the other gets 5 years probation. (Remember, I said all things being equal, including priors et al.)
    Look, a lot of times the severity of the punishment is based on how the accused acts and if they are remorseful or contrite. I ain't saying your statement is not true. What I am saying it is not unusual at all. It is the norm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jdp751 View Post
    I feel so bad for him because of what he was trying to do... if I remember correctly he said.. I will not follow (((unlawful orders))) to disarm the citizens of United States... He was standing up for us. The keyword here is unlawful orders, which he does have the right to refuse. When he took his oath it was to protect the Constitution of United States. There are only a handful of people in the United States willing to stand up like he did. I hope he gets a lot of support in the future. Former Marine
    A lawful order is an order given you by an Officer or NCO that has the lawful authority to issue the order. it has nothing to do with what your personal interpretation of the constitutionality of the order might be. He stated (I did read blog) that other Marines should disregard ALL orders from the POTUS. This is inciting mutiny. I want him out of my Corps. And it is my Corps, I bought it with thirty years of active duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Are you sure about public schools? My understanding is you can not go back into the military or seek FEDERAL employment. State and local government jobs are Okee Dokee I thought. Been years since I had a soldiers out on an other than honorable so I don't honestly remember.
    In 1988 I retired after 30 years active duty from the USMC. I went to College on GI Bill and then into teaching. I was never asked for my DD214 in the employment process as I waived Veteran's preference (I had a Masters Degree and was already on the "short list" for employment). The school board never did know my discharge status other than answering the question, (Have you received a Dishonorable Discharge from the Armed Forces?) I didn't have to submit my DD214 until I retired and then it was only so they could give me extra credit towards retirement by adding four years ( maximum allowed by state law) to my teacher time for retirement pay. This was TN so it could be different in other states.
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    I want him out of my Corps. And it is my Corps, I bought it with thirty years of active duty.

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    I am an LEO, and can expect to be punished or even fired for using social media to criticize my chain of command, which includes the elected civilians that exercise ultimate control over my command staff. I am free to speak, as a private citizen, but being an LEO means I am not a private citizen. It is not illegal for me to speak freely, but such speech may result in my being freed from employment. Free speech is something I gave up when I swore the oath.

    Technically, I can speak freely, but only when NOT publicly identifiable as a member of my PD.

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    Off duty and not in uniform wasn't the case here. In fact, off duty and out of uniform you can be involved in political events etc, but it's still against UCMJ to publicly criticize the President while serving. The guys talk politics all the time, but we don't publish negative opinions about any of our leaders on Facebook.
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    I guess he wanted to make a statement on record.
    He got it.
    Should have showed some restraint, for someone in for so long.
    On the bright side, now he can come on a forum just like this one, and say, Obama was never born in this cou,,,,

    Oh never mind,
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    If this clown wanted to disrespect his Commander in Chief, he got his just desserts.

    More troubling, though, is that the Armed Forces Radio Network routinely broadcasts the vile blatherings of that fat drug addict Limbaugh, which is not appropriate.
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