Drug Wars....how long before we have stuff like this here?

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    If the government guarded the border like they guard Area 51 I don't think there would be a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rammerjammer View Post
    Shut down the borders. Easy to say, not so easy to accomplish in real life.

    There are so many facets to this dilemma but just saying legalize drugs or shut down the border are only platitudes.

    You show me a 50 foot fence and I'll show you a 51 foot ladder.
    I'd have to say I agree with you here.

    But I do think that a appropriate legalization of SOME drugs may help the situation here and there.
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    I live 20 min from then border and we are seeing an increase in violence already.
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    How soon? As soon as those anchor babies are old enough to vote....they r American citzens already just need to get older.....then the massive liberal vote will be here and then we will all see change, Things are just abt even now...That's the reason neither party can hardly get anything done, but it will soon swing very liberal thinking a lot in a few years more with the change in the voter pool....chickens are coming home to roost I hate to say...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Its already here and has been for awhile.

    Check out the murder rate in some of the border towns. Its one of the best kept secrets in America, something that the news media( for the most part) and the U.S. Government will not acknowledge.
    What border towns are you talking about?
    What is the "murder rate" your talking about? On the rise or fall (you didn't say)? By how much?

    If it's the "best kept secret in America" how are you privy to such exclusive information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rolltide13 View Post
    I'd have to say I agree with you here.

    But I do think that a appropriate legalization of SOME drugs may help the situation here and there.
    I'm with you on some drugs being legalized. The War on Drugs has really amounted to a war on American's civil liberties and is a total failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Shot View Post
    We're worried about poppy fields in Afghanistan; why shouldn't the same measures be taken at the Southern border?
    I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at but we shouldn't be worried about poppy fields in Afghanistan. Afghanistan like the war on drugs is doomed to failure and the sooner we accept that fact the sooner countless peoples' lives will stop being needlessly harmed.
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    We already experience Cartel violence down here,not quite as bad as finding 49 decapitated bodies,but kidnappings and murder along with home invasions to rip off stash houses occurr around here fairly regular.They don't even act like they care who sees them,there was a kidnapping in broad daylight outside a burger king,they found them before they had a chance to execute the guy,it was all over a load of drugs they guy lost and owed the cartel for the shipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    How soon before we have it here? No clue. But one way to make sure it happens faster is to refuse
    to tax ourselves, refuse to pay our cops, prosecutors, judges, probation officers, jailers, corrections officers,
    border guards, and yes, teachers, a living wage by today's standards.

    Keep that up and soon enough they will become "independent contractors," and then you will see what Mexico has,
    right here in your home town.
    That's mostly a state by state issue. In California, the public employee unions have had their way for so long that now wages and retirement benefits are bankrupting the state. Lifeguards make 100k per year, corrections officers make 3 times what Texas pays theirs and it's fairly common for Police and Firefighters to make well over 100k. These are all jobs that can still be had without a college degree.

    I'm not sure what a "Living Wage" means anymore, I guess it depends on where you live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Shot View Post
    We're worried about poppy fields in Afghanistan; why shouldn't the same measures be taken at the Southern border?
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    All I was trying to say is that there should be more people with guns guarding the border.
    All I'm trying to show is that there aren't enough guns guarding the border in Afghansitan to stop drugs or the death and violence of the cartels that profit from trafficking those drugs. In 2009, the UN said
    Afghan opium would kill 100,000 people this year in the parts of world where demand for heroin is highest - Europe, Russia and West Asia.

    To fight it,... major powers have to expand their counter-drug efforts to neighbouring Pakistan as well as Iran, where half the 7,000 tonnes of exported Afghan opium transits, "causing the highest addiction rate in the world".
    By most knowledgeable accounts, the situation is worsening (see links in my previous post for starters). All I'm saying is that we can't afford this drug war, and we can't seal the border.
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    first I'll comment on the wages for LEO/firefighters/etc..........its different everywhere, state to state
    suntzu....we are NOT union here, I don't make anywhere near what LEOs make in some states where the filthy unions have their hands in everything

    as for the violence....its here....but its just not as bad, the 49 bodies were the cartels jockeying with each other over control of towns/smuggling routes, we don't have that exact thing here but the cartels are alive and well here on US soil, the dealers here are working with or for them, the gangs here are working with or for them, around here almost all the fights, shootings, stabbings, robberies, etc, come from drug trade, cartel connections, and drug dealing gangs

    fyi...legalizing pot won't stop this.....its also coke, heroin, and meth
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    LEO'S in border town should be paid more. Every city I know of does pay based on comparatives. Civil service perks are great no denying it. Everyone should get those types of perks we did 20 years ago

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    The violence and crime are already on our side of the border - 30% of the felons in AZ prisons are illegals from Mexico and points south. Sections of the border are already closed off to Americans. Legalize pot, it will grow everywhere on the planet except Antarctica. Seal the border with physical fences, razor wire, guards with guns (and permission to use them), land mines filled with the same dye used in bank robberies, wild predatory animals, whatever it takes to keep the violent criminals on their side. Make electronic transfers of funds to south of the border a crime without the permission of Border Patrol/ICE. Let border states enforce the US immigration laws, like all the other federal laws they are encouraged to enforce. Return illegals to the farthest point away from our border on a slow freighter. Penalize employers who knowingly hire illegals twice the amount they would have saved over say 7 years by not hiring legal workers. You make it so only dangerous criminals smuggling drugs would even try to cross the border.
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    Death sentence for people caught bringing drugs in this country.....Why because it's killing this country and our children....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorblade View Post
    Another reason to get serious about shutting down the border.......
    Another reason to get serious about ending the quagmire that is the War on Drugs. Alcohol prohibition caused an increase in crime, why is it taboo to even discuss that the WOD might be enriching the cartels?
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