This is a discussion on Drug Wars....how long before we have stuff like this here? within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Originally Posted by ctr The border can be effectively controlled, with authorized access. Most are unwilling to do what is required to accomplish it. Americans ...
Thankfully, Americans don't have the stomach for the death of their country in the rightfully shameful way of the abomination that was East Germany.
For legal solutions under our Judeo-Christian heritage of liberty, first Afghanistan and now diving the dumpster of tyrannies that got their keister kicked? What next, to the PRC, DPRK, the religious fanatic states? Do you even recognize the call for socialism in your statement by the taxes necessary to accomplish such a border seal - trading partner relationships notwithstanding (East Germany was never a caplitalist country, remember?).
No, Americans don't have the stomach because their ways and ours are a contradiction. To adopt their way is to destroy our own. As Ayn Rand says, "Contradictions don't exist, if you think you have one examine your premises, one of them is wrong".
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
1. The drone would have to have been following the truck and know that it was carrying drugs. If that was the case it could have been interdicted prior.
2. If you mean to target the vehicles on the US side you have much more faith in our targeting systems being infallible. From manned acft to drones we have shot at the wrong targets many times inflicting non combatant causalities.
3. Stopping one shipmet (we stop many every day and major shipments frequently) will not deter the drug trade. Neither would the deaths of the guys running the drugs. These cartels factor in losses. It is not a big deal for them.
So, is that armchair sarcasm or bravado? I hope it is the former. The last thing we want is Homeland Security or DEA targeting vehicles in the US. And to re iterate...it won;t mean a damn thing how a shipment is stopped. They will just continue their operations regardless if you shot it up in Mexico or the US.
True that, suntzu. these things happen fast and with no warning. I can relate other inventive ways that drugs are transported across the border that just can not be effectively stopped. You can not prohibit things that people want and be successful in that prohibition --- just won't work.
O.K. you're right, let's just give up. Apparently we can't beat them. They are much smarter than we could possibily be. Let's legalize the drugs crimping the dealers style and see what kind of problems come from that.
... And oh by the way, I lived on the border (el paso) for alot of years and met some who were in the "business", none wore Superman capes or would be confused with being brain surgeons.
What sort of "problems" do you think would come from decriminalizing or legalizing drugs? Obviously, everyone in America would rush out and become drug addicts. Except you, of course. It's similar to the way that relaxing gun regulations causes increases in gun violence.
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Your solution of lets use drones will look good in the news but would cause little damage to the cartel. In fact, it wold be easy for them to not be attacked by conducting business around 'civilians' for lack of a better word. I am sure that would play well in the news showing dead kids during a missile strike regardless what side of the border it was on.
Back to the folks you know. Did it occur to you that they were not brain surgeon types becasue the leadership uses many as pawns? Unless you knew some of the higher ups.
An interesting tidbit: When coming back in to the U.S. from Mexico I often get stopped on the American side for a nearly full blown inspection. I asked why once and the officer told me that the money is now so good in the drug business that they are getting guys like me to mule drugs in to the U.S. I'm a 57 year old white guy with gray hair.
But interesting: The last time I went in to Mexico the Mexicans stopped me for an inspection and that had never happened before. I asked them why and got essentially the same answer, except instead of drugs going in to the U.S. they were looking for cash going back in to Mexico.
They need to put a damn and prevent the rio grande from exiting into the GULF of Mexico. That way the river gets larger and harder to cross. People don't realize that a lot of the river is wade-able.
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As long as the Mexican Government sanctions production and distribution of drugs we don't stand a chance.
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this problem is a nasty multi-headed dragon
legalizing may hurt some cartel operations...but I guarantee you they won't say "ok, let's start making stuffed animals to sell"
legalizing will lead to more people trying drugs....and the more people trying drugs will lead to more addicts, the increase in addicts and the current addicts continuing to do drugs will still lead to people needing money to do their habit, which will continue to increase the amount of thefts/robberies/burglaries/etc that we have happening
next is we need to take the gloves off to tackle this issue, the current plan won't work because its half-a.....well half-way done
using drones to fire missiles will not be possible in some situations as suntzu said, but it sure as heck should be used when applicable, if a drone spots someone tossing packages of unknown type/origin across the fence that should be a target since its obvious they are putting something into our country illegally
its a crime to enter our country illegally and for the most part its not being enforced, and when it is there are certain groups screaming discrimination....well... they are morons...people entered illegally...period, the Latino groups scream racism...but its not just persons born in Mexico, there are more OTM (Other Than Mexican) persons captured in Texas than Mexicans, its also a security issue (I wish I could go into further details on what we get trained on but I can't), we don't need to wait until the terrorists gain entry from our border and set off a Nuke, biological, or chemical attack
its ridiculous that we sit back and allow people to come across out border unchecked, bringing in who knows what--products, drugs, disease, and then they demand we change our country/culture/lifestyle for them, they increase burdens in our hospitals (free health care paid for by you and me and I'm sick of it), schools (state budgets maxed out, our kids get screwed), LE/Fire/EMS, and other services
we've been like the frog in the pot of cold water while the fire is gradually turned up, and its going to take a hard-nosed approach to this and the citizens of this country have to realize we are heading for disaster (see Greek/Roman empires, Greece's current financial crisis), the bleeding has to stop and some things have to be done to stop the madness, but from my first hand experiences...legalizing & taxing drugs would make things worse after a happy short term increase in tax revenue and is not the answer
and we have to have help from Mexico, we have to do something to make the lucrative incentive for smuggling go away, whether thats us busting people and taking care of business, drone strikes on obvious targets in areas where innocents are injured, and harsh tactics on the ground
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