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Drug Wars....how long before we have stuff like this here?

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#1 ·
Another reason to get serious about shutting down the border.......

Associate Press Sunday 5/13/12
Official: 49 bodies left on Mexico highway

MONTERREY, Mexico (AP) — Forty-nine decapitated and mutilated bodies were found Sunday dumped on a highway connecting the northern Mexican metropolis of Monterrey to the U.S. border in what appears to be the latest blow in an escalating war of intimidation among drug gangs.

Mexico's organized crime groups often abandon multiple bodies in public places as warnings to their rivals, and authorities said at least a few of the recent victims had tattoos of the Santa Muerte cult popular among drug traffickers. But Nuevo Leon state Attorney General Adrian de la Garza said he did not rule out the possibility that the victims were U.S.-bound migrants.

The bodies of the 43 men and six women were found in the town of San Juan on the non-toll highway to the border city of Reynosa at about 4 a.m. (5 a.m. EDT; 0900 GMT), forcing police and troops to close off the highway. Nuevo Leon state security spokesman Jorge Domene said at a news conference that a banner left at the site bore a message with the Zetas drug cartel taking responsibility for the massacre.
 
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#2 ·
Its already here and has been for awhile.

Check out the murder rate in some of the border towns. Its one of the best kept secrets in America, something that the news media( for the most part) and the U.S. Government will not acknowledge.
 
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What border towns are you talking about?
What is the "murder rate" your talking about? On the rise or fall (you didn't say)? By how much?

If it's the "best kept secret in America" how are you privy to such exclusive information?
 
#4 ·
Shut down the borders. Easy to say, not so easy to accomplish in real life.

There are so many facets to this dilemma but just saying legalize drugs or shut down the border are only platitudes.

You show me a 50 foot fence and I'll show you a 51 foot ladder.
 
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#6 ·
How soon before we have it here? No clue. But one way to make sure it happens faster is to refuse
to tax ourselves, refuse to pay our cops, prosecutors, judges, probation officers, jailers, corrections officers,
border guards, and yes, teachers, a living wage by today's standards.

Keep that up and soon enough they will become "independent contractors," and then you will see what Mexico has,
right here in your home town.
 
#7 ·
One advantage we have always enjoyed over Mexico is a well-armed law-abiding citizenry. Average Mexican citizens cannot legally defend themselves against the highly-motivated sociopathic thugs who make up the drug cartels. There is one legal gun store in the entire country.
 
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Forty-nine decapitated and mutilated bodies were found Sunday dumped on a highway connecting the northern Mexican metropolis of Monterrey to the U.S. border in what appears to be the latest blow in an escalating war of intimidation among drug gangs.
If that ever happens here you will see very little action on controlling the border. Instead you will see a massive push to enact more gun laws.

Michael
 
#13 ·
Paying more in taxes makes zero sense. The tax dollars we pay now are squandered, so am I to believe if we pay MORE suddenly that money will be well spent?As for unions I'm forced to "contribute" to one, my dues support the Democratic Party against my will...
 
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Or they could do it like China did ; the punishment in China for possessing or smuggling illegal drugs, is the death penalty. In many countries, it's 30 yrs , in some of the worse prisons in the world. Some Americans have gone to China, hiding a bit of pot in their baggage, thinking it would be "no big deal". Then the State Dept was pleading with China to send them back to be put in a US prison rather than putting them to death.

The USA, is one of the more liberal countries. However, in many of those other countries, they don't "control" medicine like it is here. In China, you walk into the store.... and buy antibiotics, viagra, anti-depressant, pain killer or whatever you need off the shelf. In some countries they are not is exclusive stores, but on the shelves of general stores. And, in some places.. they can be bought at open markets or off street vendors. The USA and other Western Countries, regulate medications more than anywhere else.

That always seemed like a strange dichotomy to me.
 
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How soon? As soon as those anchor babies are old enough to vote....they r American citzens already just need to get older.....then the massive liberal vote will be here and then we will all see change, Things are just abt even now...That's the reason neither party can hardly get anything done, but it will soon swing very liberal thinking a lot in a few years more with the change in the voter pool....chickens are coming home to roost I hate to say...
 
#23 ·
We already experience Cartel violence down here,not quite as bad as finding 49 decapitated bodies,but kidnappings and murder along with home invasions to rip off stash houses occurr around here fairly regular.They don't even act like they care who sees them,there was a kidnapping in broad daylight outside a burger king,they found them before they had a chance to execute the guy,it was all over a load of drugs they guy lost and owed the cartel for the shipment.
 
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first I'll comment on the wages for LEO/firefighters/etc..........its different everywhere, state to state
suntzu....we are NOT union here, I don't make anywhere near what LEOs make in some states where the filthy unions have their hands in everything

as for the violence....its here....but its just not as bad, the 49 bodies were the cartels jockeying with each other over control of towns/smuggling routes, we don't have that exact thing here but the cartels are alive and well here on US soil, the dealers here are working with or for them, the gangs here are working with or for them, around here almost all the fights, shootings, stabbings, robberies, etc, come from drug trade, cartel connections, and drug dealing gangs

fyi...legalizing pot won't stop this.....its also coke, heroin, and meth
 
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The violence and crime are already on our side of the border - 30% of the felons in AZ prisons are illegals from Mexico and points south. Sections of the border are already closed off to Americans. Legalize pot, it will grow everywhere on the planet except Antarctica. Seal the border with physical fences, razor wire, guards with guns (and permission to use them), land mines filled with the same dye used in bank robberies, wild predatory animals, whatever it takes to keep the violent criminals on their side. Make electronic transfers of funds to south of the border a crime without the permission of Border Patrol/ICE. Let border states enforce the US immigration laws, like all the other federal laws they are encouraged to enforce. Return illegals to the farthest point away from our border on a slow freighter. Penalize employers who knowingly hire illegals twice the amount they would have saved over say 7 years by not hiring legal workers. You make it so only dangerous criminals smuggling drugs would even try to cross the border.
 
#30 ·
Another reason to get serious about shutting down the border.......
Another reason to get serious about ending the quagmire that is the War on Drugs. Alcohol prohibition caused an increase in crime, why is it taboo to even discuss that the WOD might be enriching the cartels?
 
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Another reason to get serious about ending the quagmire that is the War on Drugs. Alcohol prohibition caused an increase in crime, why is it taboo to even discuss that the WOD might be enriching the cartels?
So, how many alcohol related deaths has there been since the end of Prohibition?
 
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Closing the borders is not going to prevent determined smugglers. It will only jack up the prices of 'imported' drugs and possibly cause more violence deeper in our borders as 'mini cartels' form to control the flow of drugs. It will not stop the use of designer drugs and meth which are produced locally. As far as preventing BG's from slipping across the border and causing problems, I submit we already have enough BG's of every ethnicity to go around. We can shut the borders and it wouldn't change a darn thing.
Only the American people can stop the flow of drugs and violence but quiting or legalizing. Even if not all drugs are legal the ones that are can be taxed and that money used for a better and more comprehensive drug interdiction program.
I am personally familiar with the war on drugs on several continents and we are just wasting billions of dollars for no return. No matter how many BG's we round up or shipments we stop, 100 times that get through. The cartels assume there will be operational losses. So everytime you see the DEA showing a big bust, a drug cartel accountant just adjusts his books. They get richer and we waste money.
Anybody that thinks the war on drugs is working or is a good idea (even by shutting down the borders) is smoking some stuff that may not be legal.
 
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Closing the border is not a possibility. I travel across the border to Mexico several times a year. The commerce in trucking and in train traffic as well as people who cross every day is astounding and would be impossible to control completely. More law enforcement on the border? There are thousands and thousands of security people driving around in thousands of $40,000 vehicles already. We lost the war on drugs in this country a long time ago and the Mexicans will have no better luck. I can't offer any wonderful solutions, but the war on drugs --- no matter in what country it is waged, does not seem to work.

Also, in the last several weeks about 70 people have been murdered in this drug violence in Mexico. Perspective: That's about 7 to 8 weeks worth on the South side of Chicago, or Baltimore. We can't seem to stop violence, why do we expect the Mexicans to be able to stop this stuff?
 
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Also, in the last several weeks about 70 people have been murdered in this drug violence in Mexico. Perspective: That's about 7 to 8 weeks worth on the South side of Chicago, or Baltimore. We can't seem to stop violence, why do we expect the Mexicans to be able to stop this stuff?
Actually, in the last several weeks nearly 500 to 700 have been murdered due to cartel/drug violence. It averages close to 1,000 deaths per month, or 30+ deaths per day.
 
#41 ·
The border can be effectively controlled, with authorized access. Most are unwilling to do what is required to accomplish it. Americans don't have the stomach for it. If East Germany was able to severely limit illegal crossings for decades, any country can.
 
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The border can be effectively controlled, with authorized access. Most are unwilling to do what is required to accomplish it. Americans don't have the stomach for it. If East Germany was able to severely limit illegal crossings for decades, any country can.
Aw..if I remember my history it was to also keep their citizens in involuntarily. Great example.
 
#43 ·
We need to mine the border and allow border patrol to shoot first, ask questions later. The "punishment" for crossing is some hot meals and a free ride back across... It's not a deterrent, its like a cap on a soda sweepstakes saying 'thanks try again' and nothing even remotely bad happens to the illegals.

Legalization and taxing (similar to that of tobacco and alcohol) of some drugs will greatly reduce the cartels ability to generate revenue. It will also ease pressure on our corrections systems, lower drug related crime, raise local tax revenues, and take money out of the pockets of gangs. Win. Win. Win. Win. Win.
 
#44 ·
The importation of illegal drugs is one part of the border problem. You also have illegal aliens.I personally believe that the border could be secured, it wouldn't be pretty but it could and should be done. Whatever the outcome of a secured border I don't know, but it has to be better than what goes on now.
 
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To give an example of how inventive drug traffickers can be and to help develop the point that the border can not be secured: I was in Nuevo Laredo last November working with some Mexican engineers. They took me behind the building (which nearly backs up to the 20 foot border fence) to show me where a few days before they watched packages of (assumed) drugs getting launched over the fence. A semi with a flat bed with side and a tarp backed up to the fence. The tarp was rolled back and a catapult was exposed. In a matter of a few minutes several large heavy packages were launched over the fence to a waiting truck on the US side. The tarp was put back in place and the truck pulled away. The bad guys also put a couple of bullet holes in the factory where my friends were watching from, just to let them know --- you saw nothing.
 
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