Army Chief of Staff Argues to Use Army for Domestic Enforcement - no Posse Comitatus

Army Chief of Staff Argues to Use Army for Domestic Enforcement - no Posse Comitatus

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    Army Chief of Staff Argues to Use Army for Domestic Enforcement - no Posse Comitatus

    CFR & U.S. Army Chief of Staff: Use Army for Domestic Enforcement
    Written by Joe Wolverton, II
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    Monday, 04 June 2012 00:00

    The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) proposes that the U.S. Army be used to plan, command, and carry out (with the help of civilian law enforcement) domestic police missions. So says a story appearing in the May/June issue of the influential organization’s official journal, Foreign Affairs. The article lacks a single reference to the Posse Comitatus Act, which prohibits such actions.

    My Comments: 1) As soon as Posse Comitatus is ignored (there have already been test cases of this outside of two US ARMY bases - armed US ARMY MPs stepping in and working with LEO to arrest who were Regular Army and not National Guard, in the last two years), 2) Every gun seller in the US will immediately have all records reviewed and catalogued to creat a complete list of US Gun Owners (regardless of state law and privicy issues - already been tested in AK case being held up in Federal Courts), 3) You can throw the 4thA and 5thA out the window. Indefinite detention of US Citizens has already been 'legalized' through Presidential Executive Orders and this years Congressional Passing of the US Miliary Funding Bill (all the info is out there).

    Too many items in this article to excerpt here. Better if you read and come to your own conclusions: CFR & U.S. Army Chief of Staff: Use Army for Domestic Enforcement

    Related: The Age Of Drones: Military May Be Using Drones In US To Help Police: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...o-help-police/
    Last edited by JD; June 18th, 2012 at 12:30 PM. Reason: Added link to second article on use of Military Drones in US
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    This actually has happened domestically, with a LEA using a military drone aircraft to help them locate a criminal.
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    I don't doubt that there will be an extreme push to get the military involved in civilian enforcement, which scares the hell outta me.

    The police' mission : Serve and Protect
    The Military's mission : Kill people and break things.

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    Not being a premium member I could only read part of General O's article. Can you provide direct quotes from the General as to what specific police actions he is proposing active duty military troops be involved in? In the past there have been a number of articles where people have claimed that military units have been tasked with all kind of things that simply aren't true.
    I don't know the man personally (only met him once) but I have friends that worked under him for several months and they speak very highly of him.
    As far as the drones go, that is a little behind the times. Two drones were made available to the task force hunting for John Mohammed and Lee Malvo.
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    Saw a article today where drones are being used by the EPA to check out cattle ranches.


    Here it is:

    http://www.infowars.com/epa-using-dr...aska-and-iowa/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    Saw a article today where drones are being used by the EPA to check out cattle ranches.
    What for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    Saw a article today where drones are being used by the EPA to check out cattle ranches.
    Unless they are armored, I'd yell out "PULL!" and then, BLAMMO. Do you think it would scatter like a clay pidgeon?

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    What for?
    To check that the emissions from cattle do not exceed federal standards for explosive gases.
    To check that cattle manure does not exceed federal limits for hazardous waste limits per acre of ground.
    To see that consumption of water cattle in various creeks,rivers or ponds does not exceed maximum permissible intake of water.
    To otherwise harass farmers with unknown and bogus laws to increase government revenue.
    To assist the EPA with enforcement and fines in accordance with property owned and taxed.
    To ensure that illegal aliens have free pass to do as they please without interference from land owners.
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    Not trying to start anything here but can somebody tell me the difference between a Sheriff's department helicopter or city police helicopter flying over your house Vs a drone. Other than one has a pilot and the other doesn't I don't see much difference unless we are talking about a perceived safety issue.
    Where I live it's not unusual to see the "Ghetto Hawk" buzzing around on a Saturday night....
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    It's not murder if you shoot down an unmanned drone.....
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    Army Chief of Staff Argues to Use Army for Domestic Enforcement - no Posse Comitatus

    This has already happened in our nation's history, it was called the 'Civil War'. The president simply issued orders or directives and very few dared to speak out against it. Sound familiar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gigamortis View Post
    It's not murder if you shoot down an unmanned drone.....
    It may be it that drone crashes into someone's home and kills the occupants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gigamortis View Post
    It's not murder if you shoot down an unmanned drone.....
    Wait 'till the drones start shooting back. That is the path we are on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotorblade View Post
    Not trying to start anything here but can somebody tell me the difference between a Sheriff's department helicopter or city police helicopter flying over your house Vs a drone. Other than one has a pilot and the other doesn't I don't see much difference unless we are talking about a perceived safety issue.
    Where I live it's not unusual to see the "Ghetto Hawk" buzzing around on a Saturday night....
    There is a big difference if it belongs to DOD and there is not authorization to use it to assist LE.

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