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    US mfg. for US military

    This has probably been hashed over before. There's another thread discussing the Corp once again adopting the 1911 and I didn't want to pollute the thread. Without regard to platform, I see no reason for adopting a firearm that isn't US manufactured for our military. If the US were truly weak in our offerings it might be a different story. That's not the case. We've got some of the finest manufacturers here and if they don't offer the platform, they can design and build it. In my opinion only, it should say Made in the USA....stamped on the barrel. Just a thought.
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    Beyond that, all parts down to the detent springs ought to be truly US-made, from US steel in US forges. Like you said, it would be different if we didn't have the capability to turn out world-class firearms. That's not the case.

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    Very well said,,,, and I could not agree more. Made in the USA.

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    I agree completely. A U.S.- made 1911 loaded with U.S.- made hollowpoints. No more ball.

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    Yep U.S. made all the way

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    Yes in a perfect world that would be great...but, the Military often works on with the lowest bidder and an all US firearm would probably not make the cut and if they took out the lowest bidder and went with all US could we even afford it?

    If we took out all the non US weapons/equipment in the militaries inventory we would not have much left. Many are made by FN M4/16, 249, 240, the 416 by HK, handguns by Beretta and HK, subguns by HK. I do not know who has the contract for the M2 .50 cal. Many tactical items although purchased from US companies are made overseas like Blackhawk, it is made in Vietnam.

    In regards to the M4/16. The contract has been awarded to different manufactures other than Colt so I don't know who has it now.
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    Disagree! I want the best freakin gun made in my hands when in combat. Period! If that gun just happens to be made in the USA, even better.
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    It seems like it might be a good idea to have a manufacturer within our borders during a time of conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caertaker View Post
    It seems like it might be a good idea to have a manufacturer within our borders during a time of conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tacman605 View Post
    Yes in a perfect world that would be great...but, the Military often works on with the lowest bidder and an all US firearm would probably not make the cut and if they took out the lowest bidder and went with all US could we even afford it?

    If we took out all the non US weapons/equipment in the militaries inventory we would not have much left. Many are made by FN M4/16, 249, 240, the 416 by HK, handguns by Beretta and HK, subguns by HK. I do not know who has the contract for the M2 .50 cal. Many tactical items although purchased from US companies are made overseas like Blackhawk, it is made in Vietnam.

    In regards to the M4/16. The contract has been awarded to different manufactures other than Colt so I don't know who has it now.
    I wanna say our Ma Deuces were made by FN as well, or at least the newer ones, because we had some oldies. But I believe they have that contract as well.

    I do however, believe that Fabrique National Herstal (FNH of FN), has their separate subsidiary, FNH-USA, and that a lot of our FN weapons had rollmarks as being made in North Carolina, although I'm not positive. But I seem to recall seeing/hearing somewhere that most of their military weapons are actually made in America, by the American arm of the company.

    203's are made by Colt.
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    FNH-USA has a manufacturing Plant in Columbia, SC.

    From their Website:
    "Where are FN products made?

    FN’s manufacturing facility in Columbia, SC is one of only three organizations designated by the U.S. government as the industry base for small arms production. All FN handguns are manufactured in the U.S., as are the M240 line of medium machine guns and the M249 line of light machine guns."

    Based off their corporate structure, it appears that the Herstal Group based in Belgium owns Browning as well.
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    Eric that is fine we would all like the best, but, that is not how the government works.

    Lowest bidders, ability to resupply, unit level maintenance, politics, training and so on would all be taken into consideration. Not bashing US products at all but who would choose the best? It may not be US made at all who knows.

    Glad to hear FN has a plant in the US. I don't know though whether they manufacture everything there or just assemble parts like Glock does. Thanks for the info on the .50 cal, the ones we had here were twice the age of the guys manning them so did not know about new ones.
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    When buying complex pieces of equipment like a firearm, the Government uses "best value" procurement. This means that price is one of several factors that bear on the decision. Other factors may include testing results, logistics, warranty, commonality, vendor past performance and so on. Price would normally not be the most important factor. I agree with Eric that the goal is to put the best weapon in the hands of the soldier, but "best" is subjective just like the decision each of us makes on what car to buy. Moreover, there is a "Buy America" law that stipulates that the Government must buy equipment built in America absent compelling reasons not to.

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    Beni, Columbia SC is right, I knew it was one of the Carolina's.

    Tacman, most of our M-2s were the same way, and quite old. But, one day I know all of our machine gunners were really excited, and someone in the logistics side must of messed up, because we got a brand new M-2 in the armory. Marine infantry never gets new stuff, its all hand-me downs, like being a middle child.

    Actually though, it is a somewhat logical progression, because of the ties JMB had to FN over in Belgium back in the day.
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