This is a discussion on Stolen Valor Act is Struck Down by Supreme Court within the Law Enforcement, Military & Homeland Security Discussion forums, part of the Related Topics category; Hey, this is a signifcant win for the First Amendment! Advertising would be impossible without this acknowledgement that you can pretty much say whatever you ...
Hey, this is a signifcant win for the First Amendment! Advertising would be impossible without this acknowledgement that you can pretty much say whatever you want short of shouting, "Fire" in a crowded theater. If we demanded 'truth' for every public statement, politicians would have nothing to say.
I think you should look at this decision as the equivalent of a very positive 2A decision. If the SCOTUS believes in the constitution on 1A then it is likely that 2A (et al.) would get the same courtesy. That is, an attempt to knock down rights under 2A would be shot down (sorry about the pun) as fast and decidedly as this dopey law that said you couldn't lie about something. As a corollary, it means that you should check what people say before you decide to believe it...
The decision put no new limits on the prosecution of fraud, perjury, libel or slander.
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A military honor is not a licensing issue, you can't compare the two. And nothing about this changes the fact that if you lie on a job application, you can be terminated and the company could take legal action against you. It's just not a crime. The state can't charge you with anything for doing it, but that doesn't prevent legal action against people who lie, it just changes who would be accusing you, and imposes monetary loss standards.Apparently, you can legally lie about being a veteran who has received military honors, now. I'm not sure how this is any different than lying about being professionally licensed, a doctor, active military, or LEO. This is absurd and a slap in the face to veterans and soldiers in arms, everywhere. Anyways, I guess it is OK to lie about military service to get a firearm/ammo discount, too. Not that I would... Just wanted this thread to be firearm related.
This thread went a long ways, and I enjoyed all sides of all comments.
I suppose the issue at hand usually does fall under the category of civil liability.
I served,Honorably,and am sickened by scum that claim to have been and done things that the brave men and women in uniform have,and I can usually shut them down rather quickly when they start spouting their nonsense,and will call them out publicly if need be.Now I have fought for the 1st amendment and fully support it,but where is the difference in this and impersonating a LEO,makes no sense to me,and it's not just civilians doing this,when we were in A-stan,we had Marines get very harsh discipline for displaying Recon badges on their BDU's,most were immediately transfered out of the unit attached to 1st Recon,they knew what would happen in the field if left there.
Unfortunately this ruling is probably the right one, despicable as it may be if lying was a crime we would probably all be in trouble. My ex wife still thinks Emerson knives cost 50 bucks, Glocks cost 200, and that I have never sat foot in a strip club. Now my military record is not something I care to embellish, but as long as there is no fraud involved prosecuting others for doing is a pretty serious violation of the first amendment. There are many things that are protected that I find sickening like rap songs about killing cops, but we are a free society and in that we have to take the good with the bad.
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Initially I was thinking more along the lines of benefits and monetary gains associated with lying about service history. The more I have thought about it, the more that I see it can and should be resolved in civil courts. Then again, I suppose the same should go for impersonating a Doctor and, as you said, unprofessionally removing a persons spleen. Yes, these are two extremes, but I don't recognize the difference other than the repercussions of the actions at hand - lying aside.
I find it to be a sad state of affairs when our high court says that there is a constitutional right to lie.......
What happen to the Cheif Justice ? He put health insurance on the same vein as taxes when he voted with the liberals !!! I feel violated !
As much as I detest posers, I appreciate a ruling that constrains our government from further attempts to regulate morality.
Besides they are easy for vets to pick out, and we know how to take care of our own.
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