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Since Minnesota has no duty to inform, how did the officer know you carry in the first place? Having said that, here is what Minnesota law states:
(a) A person carrying a firearm on or about his or her person or clothes under a permit or otherwise who remains at a private establishment knowing that the operator of the establishment or its agent has made a reasonable request that firearms not be brought into the establishment may be ordered to leave the premises. A person who fails to leave when so requested is guilty of a petty misdemeanor. The fine for a first offense must not exceed $25. Notwithstanding section 609.531, a firearm carried in violation of this subdivision is not subject to forfeiture.
Invincible ignorance...look it up.
Since he was moon-lighting as the theater's security he is actually an employee of the theater. As the theater is private property I believe he could ask you to disarm or leave even if it wasn't posted. Now if you had declined to answer the question, I'm not sure what he could have done.
To sit back hoping that someday, some way, someone will make things right is to go on feeding the crocodile, hoping he will eat you last - but eat you he will.
This episode just doesn't pass the smell test.
I think that I would have politely declined his invitation to disarm unless the theater had a policy in place against concealed carry on the premises. I would also have told him that the weapon is more secure on my person than outside unattended in a vehicle where it could be stolen. If he were still insistent, I would have left.
Way to go, you rolled over and gave up your rights. I understand picking your battles, but from what you told us you were in the right. Act like you have a pair and stand up for yourself. Since you couldn't do that, this guy is going to get away with abusing other's 2nd amendment rigts. At the very least you could have spoken to the manager and told him why you aren't coming back, and filed a complaint with the Police Department on this guy.
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There's no way what you did was "wrong" -- it all worked out and nobody got arrested or thrown over the hood of a car. However, I think this was a situation where you were in the right and would've IMO been justified -- not to call him what he is, as tempting as that would be -- but to inform him of the laws, regulations, etc. and that you're exercising your rights under the law. You might even ask why he wants to disarm you when you're carrying legally. You could say that politely and see where it it goes. Obviously, if he raises a stink it's not worth a hassle -- talk to mall management about it later, which I still recommend.
Lot's of good suggestions as to following up on initiating complaints to the appropriate authorities.
As to the Original incident. Being as Minnesota has no duty to inform I'd have politely informed the Officer that it was non of his business and requested the Managers presence.
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So officer I am the first and last word on everything tells you to do something right or wrong you bend down and do as you are told.
Ok for you but not me I would sue him . And off duty or not he is still LEO's and he is accountable.
We have a big problem right now with many Chief or police ,DA's going against the law, they feel they are above the law. It must be stopped.
As I mentioned in my earlier response my father was considered to be always on duty if the need came up. Or so they told him. To emphasize that point they requested that all off duty cops carry a concealed firearm with them when off duty is it was possible and the officer had one.
I know of no State where a LEO loses the police powers when off Duty. If anyone can show me one I would find it interesting.
The only time and place I know of when a LEO loses their police power is on Federal property where no agreement is in place.
that being said, I'd contact the mall too and confirm their policy, if they don't have the policy in place barring weapons, let them know what this guy did, and if no policy in place....this officer needs to reported to his dept, what he did is out of line UNLESS the mall has requested this to take place
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If loose gun laws are good for criminals why do criminals support gun control?
My wife made a call to the general manager of the mall the day after this when I was at work and confirmed that it is NOT banned. I am considering writing a letter to the chief of police because this certain officer was a lieutenant.
2nd Amendment, the one that protects the rest!
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Now you may decide to pursue the matter. Entirely within your rights, and not necessarily inappropriate. But you did a great job of avoiding the conflict of the moment. Imagine if you had been with a date. Are you sure she would have been impressed with you making a scene?