Was SFC sold out to appease Afghans?

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    He was not only sold out he was served up by a new system that does not care about of service members.

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    Anybody can be sold out these days. Whom do you trust? Life is worth less than a lot of things lately.

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    As I touched on in another thread, today's military is a much different animal than those of us who served in the early 80's and prior.

    I remember a fiercely loyal command that protected their own, in every sense. We were allowed to rotate MP duty on shore leave, so we could 'arrest' our own who got a little too rowdy, before the local cops could. Punishment for minor infractions was dealt out when necessary, but it was generally kept out of the service record. Then we started getting training on sexual harassment, ethnic equality, fairness among the ranks, etc.. and something slowly started to change. Both officers and enlisted started focusing on the letter of the law vs. getting the job done. It took a few years, but it became to be more of an environment of a politically-every-man-for-himself where there must be a scape-goat served up anytime something went sideways. It was a clear situation where your command loved you until it became inconvenient.

    No, I was never scape-goated, but I saw many good people who were. We started referring to it as the 'New Guard' vs. the 'Old Guard'. The 'Old Guard' either got out, or waited out their commission/enlistment.
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    Anyone can be sold out is right ,even Tier 1 guys,ask Marcus Luttrell,their team knew they would be tried on a return back Stateside if they killed the herders,but also knew they would report them to the Taliban,if they let them go,Guess they were more scared of the Justice Dept.Politicians don't care for us,we're a tool for them,that is to be discarded (with impunity)when it has fulfilled it's usefullness.

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    What else is new, our government an military have sold out many of our troops to appease the Afghans. The ROE have been made so restrictive to keep that nut job Karzai happy that I cannot imagine how our troops survive at all.
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    There is a facebook page you can like and possibly draw attention to this issue:

    Why are We Trying... | Facebook

    Here's a link to his defense fund along with an address to send letters/cards of support:

    SFC Walter Taylor legal defense fund information | Freedom Radio Rocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smitty901 View Post
    He was not only sold out he was served up by a new system that does not care about of service members.
    I'll say it: Not a new system but an administration! At every turn the current administration betrays the troops, too often with willing accomplices in the upper brass. I remember a time when the admirals and generals stood up for the sailors/soldiers/airmen. Sadly, there seems to be very few remaining with the true honor who do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigs View Post
    I'll say it: Not a new system but an administration! At every turn the current administration betrays the troops, too often with willing accomplices in the upper brass. I remember a time when the admirals and generals stood up for the sailors/soldiers/airmen. Sadly, there seems to be very few remaining with the true honor who do so.
    If you are going to turn this political then reference other UCMJ and courts martial actions that were done to service members unjustly in the name of political expedience. Or better yet...what about the opposite...giving praise or honoring folks that don't deserve it for political expedience using the military as a backdrop for political speeches which I think is sickening. The idiot that got captured in the Balkans come to mind as being put on a pedastal as heros when they were (at least the NCO's) a bunch of dorks and morons.
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    The Koran burning debacle comes to mind. Did't the administration bend over backwards apologizing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    If you are going to turn this political then reference other UCMJ and courts martial actions that were done to service members unjustly in the name of political expedience. Or better yet...what about the opposite...giving praise or honoring folks that don't deserve it for political expedience using the military as a backdrop for political speeches which I think is sickening. The idiot that got captured in the Balkans come to mind as being put on a pedastal as heros when they were (at least the NCO's) a bunch of dorks and morons.
    I was not merely speaking to this individuals betrayal or even necessarily merely combat our UCMJ related issues. See the link discussing the period before the repeal of "Don't ask, don't tell." The tour and "survey" was not to gauge the military's acceptance but to force it upon them. Check out Adm Mullen's remarks to a Chaplain who dared to ask a question. That and more has been going on. I'm not going to google for you to find the facts. Pay attention to the news, it's not that hard to find. And it is not only the military, look at loyal Border Patrol, FBI and ATF personnel.

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    This thread is not going political. Correct? Correct. Thank you. Have a good evening. Carry on.
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    If the idea is to win the war this action does make sense. In a trade between the life of one soldier and the possible loss of local support its makes sense in the long run.
    Not saying if I think its right or wrong. Only trying to look at it in a strategic sense.

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    What happens in combat should stay in combat.

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