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U.S. Army Purchases Riot Gear As Fears Over Civil Unrest Grow

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#1 ·
Read the article and tell me this isn't getting scary. Homeland Security is already saying they expect civil unrest prior to the Presidential election in November. What does that mean? Protests at the conventions? Or all out riots if the current administration does not win again? Or riots if they do?

When did America come to the point that the government would openly plan of violating Posse Comitatus?

I realize this comes from Infowars.com so I am willing to entertain the notion that this may all be hyperbole. What do you think?

» U.S. Army Purchases Riot Gear As Fears Over Civil Unrest Grow Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
 
#3 ·
If Bloomber convinces Obummer we need to ban Bacon, Im ganna go mess some stuff up.

Seriously though, Im guessing scare tactics. Let the sheep think there is danger so they will follow.
 
#5 ·
Yep! Sure would save a lot of burning homes and businesses.
 
#6 ·
Fantasy Mountain out of mole hill of a normal defense requisition. The linked leaked document on "killing Americans", dated during the W. Bush second term is basic. We're in easy times compared to a lot that this country has been through. Where is the uprising and the government overreaction? Pure hokum.
 
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I would specualte that this is a routine purchase by the DoD (they use roit gear a lot in foregin countries) and that INFOwars has put their usual spin on it.
 
#10 ·
I realize this comes from Infowars.com so I am willing to entertain the notion that this may all be hyperbole. What do you think?

» U.S. Army Purchases Riot Gear As Fears Over Civil Unrest Grow Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
You really need to ask?
Part of what Alex Jones relies on is that most people that read his stuff are not going to read everything in the links. Here is the list of items from the order for West Point. Note the quantities. Scary enough for you?
The MCC Eustis - ICO West Point requires the following items, Exact Match Only, to the following:
LI 001, Paulson Concave Riot Shield 48 inch x 24 inch x 1/8 inch #BS-3C
FOB: Destination, 20, EA;
LI 002, Paulson DK5-H.150 Riot Face Shield
FOB: Destination, 20, EA;
LI 003, Monadnock #100003 Riot Baton Polycarbonite ?Measures 36" x 1-1/4"
FOB: Destination, 30, EA;
LI 004, Galls Advanced Upper Body Chest Protection Item# TE316 | Mfg# ZBUBP : Size MDL
FOB: Destination, 15, EA;
LI 005, Galls Advanced Upper Body Chest Protection Item# TE316 | Mfg# ZBUBP : Size LXL
FOB: Destination, 5, EA;
LI 006, Galls Advanced Upper Body Chest Protection Item# TE316 | Mfg# ZBUBP : Size 2X
FOB: Destination, 1, EA;
I know municipal police departments with substantially more gear than that. This is more than likely just replacing worn out/damaged stuff used in training for civil affairs units. A friend of mine who was in the reserves back in the day got to spend two years in Haiti in the mid 90's while they rebuilt democracy there.

Now we have the DHS order.
The DHS Office of Procurement Operations requires the following items, Brand Name or Equal, to the following:
LI 001, Upper Body and Shoulder Protection (chest circumference) BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Centurion Soft Shell Riot Control System (CPX2500), 147, EA;
LI 002, Thigh-Groin Protector - BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Centurion (TPX200), 152, EA;
LI 003, Forearm Protectors - BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Centurion (FP100), 156, EA;
LI 004, Hard Shell Shin Guards - BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Centurion (TS70), 147, EA;
LI 005, Carry Bag - BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Exotech (E4), 147, EA;
LI 006, Tactical Gloves - BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Damascus (DMZ333), 147, EA;
LI 007, Riot Helmet- BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: MaxPro (TR1000), 147, EA;
LI 008, All associated Delivery/Shipping cost, 1, EA;
My old department has about seven times that much stuff for a single suburban county. This is for a national agency.

The "leaked" document is training material from the Military Police school dated 2006 which last I heard was avialable in printed form from the government printing office. Imagine that, teaching MPs crowd control! In that manual it also refers to National Guard units. As far as the warning shots will not be fired, that comes after.......
(1) Commanders are authorized to use non-deadly force to control the disturbance, to prevent crimes,
and to detain persons who have committed crimes; but the degree of force used must be not greater than
that reasonably necessary under the circumstances. The use of deadly force, in effect, invokes the power
of summary execution and can, therefore, be justified only by extreme circumstances. Accordingly, its
use is not authorized for the purpose of preventing activities which do not pose a significant risk of death
or serious bodily harm. If a mission cannot be accomplished without the use of deadly force, but deadly
force is not permitted under the guidelines authorizing its use, accomplishment of the mission must be
delayed until sufficient non-deadly force can be brought to bear. All the requirements of paragraph (b),
below, must be met in every case in which deadly force is employed.
(2) The use of deadly force is authorized only under conditions of extreme necessity and as a last resort
when all lesser means have failed or cannot be reasonably be employed. Deadly force is justified under
one or more of the following circumstances:
They then go on about self defense, protecting national security assets from theft or sabotage (stuff like nuclear weapons)
The bit about warning shots is pretty much like they told us in our CHL class.
(4) In addition, the following policies regarding the use of deadly force will be observed:
(a) Give an order to halt.
(b) Warning shot will not be fired.
(c) When a firearm is discharged it will be fired with the intent of rendering the person(s) at whom it
is discharged incapable of continuing that activity or course of behavior prompting the individual to
shoot.
(d) Shot will be fired only with due regard for the safety of innocent bystanders.
(e) In the case of holstered weapons, a weapon should not be removed from the holster unless there
is reasonable expectation that use of the weapon may be necessary.
As far as locking us all up.....
f. Army Detention Facilities.
(1) The Army will not operate facilities for confinement, custody, or detention of civilian personnel
apprehended for violation of local or state laws as long as civil confinement facilities, operated by the
Department of Justice, state, or local agencies are sufficient to accommodate the number of persons
apprehended.
(2) When it appears that available local facilities are insufficient, due to the large number of persons
apprehended or detained, and this fact can be verified by the person or agency responsible for the
facilities, temporary confinement/detention facilities may be operated with prior approval from DA,
specifically, the Chief of Staff, U.S. Army. These facilities will be operated only until custody of the
persons detained can be transferred to and assumed by civil authorities. They will not be used for the
confinement of persons charged or convicted under civil jurisdiction.
(3) Temporary confinement/detention facilities can be developed from local federal facilities provided
they are adaptable to the requirements of custody and control. Such facilities should be established, if
possible, within the affected area; this will conserve time, transportation, and escort personnel.
And if you recall a while back they had one of their scare pieces out about the U.N. treaty where they said to look at the punctuation. Lets look at the punctuation here shall we? In that paragraph that talks about page 20 of the manual, why do you suppose they use the quotation marks like they do? Could it be because in the manual it does not actually say what they want us to think it says? You tell me. The quote above about the use of deadly force (much like we get in a CHL class) is actually from page 20.

And yes, plans for U.S. troops to be used for civil disturbances on U.S. soil have been going on for years. L.A. Riots ring any bells? Or how about this?
History Crew


So forgive me if I don't get too excited about what Alex Jones has to say.
 
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It's really beyond me how we can tune in and watch so many animals on the streets that are willing to go out and cause their community so much damage. All these idiots want to do is be where the action is, loot, rob, arson and be on TV like they really have a cause worth violence. (Usually a sports team's loss or something else pretty stupid or maybe a court case that didn't go through our system like they thought it should) MLK Jr. had the right approach and a cause worth addressing and he got a lot farther than anyone else ever has by flipping a car over.

So yeah, IMO I think that the Police, National Guard or civilians defending their businesses or homes ought to be able to use extreme force against extreme stupidity. As for a business owner, talk about your disparity of force. Those lighting molotov coctails should be shot or this happens... London riots: police lose battle as lawlessness erupts - Telegraph

~ Residents accused the police of abandoning them. Matthew Yeoland, 43, a teacher from Peckham, where property was set ablaze, said: "It's like a war zone and the police weren't doing anything. There were too many people and not enough police."~

Can you blame them? Really, they were "accused?" Looks like people should also be able to take care of themselves when this happens huh?
 
#15 ·
Im not worried about the Riot suits. When the black Russian helos hit, thats when Ill worry.....
 
#39 ·
^^^^YEP^^^^^^^^^

Who says it will be US troops to do the policing

But....But.... But the DHS order is enough to equip THREE GUYS IN EVERY STATE!!!!!!!!! If they turned on us how could we resist?


You guys believe what you want,
And I'm not saying I'm buying into the conspiracy theories lock stock and barrel, but things like this bear mentioning.

Heres food for thought, from a Canadian News source.
Preparing for Civil Unrest in America | Global Research
 
#16 ·
Government is the real Terrorist Threat to our Safety & Freedom IMO now days mad on power they have taken with the help of a corrupt system at every chance they get. We are unfortunately heading in a bad direction & the Government is trying to prepare to hold on to the power they have taken by any means necessary even if it means pre-meditated Mass Murder of its on citizens. Our Government doesn't care that they are supposed to work for us not against us & the Constitution of the United States.
 
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#20 ·
Actually, riots in Florida stop at 4:00 pm. It's "early bird" at all the best restaurants and you have to get there early enough to get a good handicapped parking place and a table in the back with room for walkers and wheelchairs.

Seriously, I'm more concerned with the military going door to door confiscating guns from law abiding citizens like they did in New Orleans during Katrina. Give up your guns or die!
 
#22 ·
Well if its cake or death Ill choose cake but give up my guns or death? Either way sounds like death too me so Ill die I guess.
 
#26 ·
Riot gear is for LEOs, and the military is not a LEO agency... If they use the riot gear for training people who are going to be working at embassies overseas, that is one thing. However, if they are going to use it domestically, that is a huge problem, IMO. Military drones have already been used for LEO functions, from there it is a slippery slope.
 
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#27 ·
Well, I have dug into this further and I have to admit, Alex Jones is a nut. Wow, what a nut.

So yeah, I have to say, I will not even read anything from Infowars anymore. What a nut.
 
#29 ·
Well, I have dug into this further and I have to admit, Alex Jones in a nut. Wow, what a nut.

So yeah, I have to say, I will not even read anything from Infowars anymore. What a nut.
you can watch Info Wars online.....I put it on my TV when working out...sometimes I need a good laugh
 
#30 ·
My take on Alex Jones is that it's better to have people that will question everything that Govt does even if it turns out not to be 100% factual.

It is better to have at least a few people doing that than to have everybody not paying any attention at all.

That (of course) is just my personal opinion.
 
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#32 ·
Folks question the government here all the time and for the most part don't have 20 lbs of tinfoil wrapped around their head. The problem (if any) about Mr. Jones is that someday he might find aliens in area 51 or Obama was born in Antartica, but nobody will take him seriously because of the boy that cried wolf syndrome. I have seen so much of his stuff as outright lies or skewed and twisted it is laughable......and in my opinion it is much better to question the government and give your readers/listeners facts instead of hyperbole. Makes for a much more interesting and informative exchange of information....and seriously, I do listen to him while working out,,,,just to pass time:smile:

That (of course) is just my personal opinion.
 
#31 ·
Moral of the story: Don't riot.

Seriously there's nothing to riot about in the US right now. Just relax.
 
#33 ·
Civil Defense is a listed mission of the US Army. It is carried out thorough the Use of National Guard troops at the early levels due to laws I will not go into now. It is something you should understand. Difference between use of federal troops and a State control force.
The US Army as an occupation force is also charge with the same mission on foreign soil. So the purchase of such gear is not uncommon and time is allotted form training on those task .
( It is however often shorted on time for other training)
So while I am not overly concerned, This current CC does worry me.
 
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Civil Defense is a listed mission of the US Army. It is carried out thorough the Use of National Guard troops at the early levels due to laws I will not go into now. It is something you should understand. Difference between use of federal troops and a State control force.
The US Army as an occupation force is also charge with the same mission on foreign soil. So the purchase of such gear is not uncommon and time is allotted form training on those task .
( It is however often shorted on time for other training)
So while I am not overly concerned, This current CC does worry me.
As opposed to the last one that trashed the Constitution and the 4th Amendment to include all the provisions of the Patriot Act and warrantless wire taps..
 
#37 ·
The US Army, as well as its extension, the Nat'l Guard, have been involved in the past in actions against unrest. Gen MacArthur marched two regiments into the "Bonus Army" camp in D.C. in 1932. Major cities in the 1960's saw the Nat'l Guard called up to quell unrest. US troops protected the Pentagon againstr anti-war marchers in 1967. The Nat'l Guard was called up for campus duty across the country during anti-war demonstrations, including Kent State (we all know how that one went). The Army and the Marines were used in L.A. in 1992. The Guard was out for Katrina. There's more I'm sure.

List of incidents of civil unrest in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, is this anything new?
 
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