U.S. Army Purchases Riot Gear As Fears Over Civil Unrest Grow

U.S. Army Purchases Riot Gear As Fears Over Civil Unrest Grow

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    U.S. Army Purchases Riot Gear As Fears Over Civil Unrest Grow

    Read the article and tell me this isn't getting scary. Homeland Security is already saying they expect civil unrest prior to the Presidential election in November. What does that mean? Protests at the conventions? Or all out riots if the current administration does not win again? Or riots if they do?

    When did America come to the point that the government would openly plan of violating Posse Comitatus?

    I realize this comes from Infowars.com so I am willing to entertain the notion that this may all be hyperbole. What do you think?

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    Well I'm not planning on going out and rioting any time soon anyways...
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    If Bloomber convinces Obummer we need to ban Bacon, Im ganna go mess some stuff up.

    Seriously though, Im guessing scare tactics. Let the sheep think there is danger so they will follow.
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    IMHO if they start rioting and looting there should be a shoot on sight order
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    IMHO if they start rioting and looting there should be a shoot on sight order
    Yep! Sure would save a lot of burning homes and businesses.
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    Fantasy Mountain out of mole hill of a normal defense requisition. The linked leaked document on "killing Americans", dated during the W. Bush second term is basic. We're in easy times compared to a lot that this country has been through. Where is the uprising and the government overreaction? Pure hokum.
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    Geez. Gotta love the media. Stop paying attention to them [ without researching what they say] a long time ago.

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    Alex Jones info-wars is hardly an unbiased source of information. Info-wars breathlessly announced the FEMA internment camps. Their credibility is right up there with WND and Prison Planet.
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    I would specualte that this is a routine purchase by the DoD (they use roit gear a lot in foregin countries) and that INFOwars has put their usual spin on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TN_Mike View Post
    I realize this comes from Infowars.com so I am willing to entertain the notion that this may all be hyperbole. What do you think?

    » U.S. Army Purchases Riot Gear As Fears Over Civil Unrest Grow Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
    You really need to ask?
    Part of what Alex Jones relies on is that most people that read his stuff are not going to read everything in the links. Here is the list of items from the order for West Point. Note the quantities. Scary enough for you?
    The MCC Eustis - ICO West Point requires the following items, Exact Match Only, to the following:
    LI 001, Paulson Concave Riot Shield 48 inch x 24 inch x 1/8 inch #BS-3C
    FOB: Destination, 20, EA;
    LI 002, Paulson DK5-H.150 Riot Face Shield
    FOB: Destination, 20, EA;
    LI 003, Monadnock #100003 Riot Baton Polycarbonite ?Measures 36" x 1-1/4"
    FOB: Destination, 30, EA;
    LI 004, Galls Advanced Upper Body Chest Protection Item# TE316 | Mfg# ZBUBP : Size MDL
    FOB: Destination, 15, EA;
    LI 005, Galls Advanced Upper Body Chest Protection Item# TE316 | Mfg# ZBUBP : Size LXL
    FOB: Destination, 5, EA;
    LI 006, Galls Advanced Upper Body Chest Protection Item# TE316 | Mfg# ZBUBP : Size 2X
    FOB: Destination, 1, EA;
    I know municipal police departments with substantially more gear than that. This is more than likely just replacing worn out/damaged stuff used in training for civil affairs units. A friend of mine who was in the reserves back in the day got to spend two years in Haiti in the mid 90's while they rebuilt democracy there.

    Now we have the DHS order.
    The DHS Office of Procurement Operations requires the following items, Brand Name or Equal, to the following:
    LI 001, Upper Body and Shoulder Protection (chest circumference) BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Centurion Soft Shell Riot Control System (CPX2500), 147, EA;
    LI 002, Thigh-Groin Protector - BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Centurion (TPX200), 152, EA;
    LI 003, Forearm Protectors - BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Centurion (FP100), 156, EA;
    LI 004, Hard Shell Shin Guards - BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Centurion (TS70), 147, EA;
    LI 005, Carry Bag - BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Exotech (E4), 147, EA;
    LI 006, Tactical Gloves - BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: Damascus (DMZ333), 147, EA;
    LI 007, Riot Helmet- BRAND NAME OR EQUAL TO: MaxPro (TR1000), 147, EA;
    LI 008, All associated Delivery/Shipping cost, 1, EA;
    My old department has about seven times that much stuff for a single suburban county. This is for a national agency.

    The "leaked" document is training material from the Military Police school dated 2006 which last I heard was avialable in printed form from the government printing office. Imagine that, teaching MPs crowd control! In that manual it also refers to National Guard units. As far as the warning shots will not be fired, that comes after.......
    (1) Commanders are authorized to use non-deadly force to control the disturbance, to prevent crimes,
    and to detain persons who have committed crimes; but the degree of force used must be not greater than
    that reasonably necessary under the circumstances. The use of deadly force, in effect, invokes the power
    of summary execution and can, therefore, be justified only by extreme circumstances. Accordingly, its
    use is not authorized for the purpose of preventing activities which do not pose a significant risk of death
    or serious bodily harm. If a mission cannot be accomplished without the use of deadly force, but deadly
    force is not permitted under the guidelines authorizing its use, accomplishment of the mission must be
    delayed until sufficient non-deadly force can be brought to bear. All the requirements of paragraph (b),
    below, must be met in every case in which deadly force is employed.
    (2) The use of deadly force is authorized only under conditions of extreme necessity and as a last resort
    when all lesser means have failed or cannot be reasonably be employed. Deadly force is justified under
    one or more of the following circumstances:
    They then go on about self defense, protecting national security assets from theft or sabotage (stuff like nuclear weapons)
    The bit about warning shots is pretty much like they told us in our CHL class.
    (4) In addition, the following policies regarding the use of deadly force will be observed:
    (a) Give an order to halt.
    (b) Warning shot will not be fired.
    (c) When a firearm is discharged it will be fired with the intent of rendering the person(s) at whom it
    is discharged incapable of continuing that activity or course of behavior prompting the individual to
    shoot.
    (d) Shot will be fired only with due regard for the safety of innocent bystanders.
    (e) In the case of holstered weapons, a weapon should not be removed from the holster unless there
    is reasonable expectation that use of the weapon may be necessary.
    As far as locking us all up.....
    f. Army Detention Facilities.
    (1) The Army will not operate facilities for confinement, custody, or detention of civilian personnel
    apprehended for violation of local or state laws as long as civil confinement facilities, operated by the
    Department of Justice, state, or local agencies are sufficient to accommodate the number of persons
    apprehended.
    (2) When it appears that available local facilities are insufficient, due to the large number of persons
    apprehended or detained, and this fact can be verified by the person or agency responsible for the
    facilities, temporary confinement/detention facilities may be operated with prior approval from DA,
    specifically, the Chief of Staff, U.S. Army. These facilities will be operated only until custody of the
    persons detained can be transferred to and assumed by civil authorities. They will not be used for the
    confinement of persons charged or convicted under civil jurisdiction.
    (3) Temporary confinement/detention facilities can be developed from local federal facilities provided
    they are adaptable to the requirements of custody and control. Such facilities should be established, if
    possible, within the affected area; this will conserve time, transportation, and escort personnel.
    And if you recall a while back they had one of their scare pieces out about the U.N. treaty where they said to look at the punctuation. Lets look at the punctuation here shall we? In that paragraph that talks about page 20 of the manual, why do you suppose they use the quotation marks like they do? Could it be because in the manual it does not actually say what they want us to think it says? You tell me. The quote above about the use of deadly force (much like we get in a CHL class) is actually from page 20.

    And yes, plans for U.S. troops to be used for civil disturbances on U.S. soil have been going on for years. L.A. Riots ring any bells? Or how about this?
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    So forgive me if I don't get too excited about what Alex Jones has to say.
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    Reading this article it is calling for a small # (147) of each gear. Quelling a small riot?
    US Army Orders Riot Gear As Build Up For Civil Unrest and Eventual Martial Law Continues :
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    Quelling a small riot?


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    It's really beyond me how we can tune in and watch so many animals on the streets that are willing to go out and cause their community so much damage. All these idiots want to do is be where the action is, loot, rob, arson and be on TV like they really have a cause worth violence. (Usually a sports team's loss or something else pretty stupid or maybe a court case that didn't go through our system like they thought it should) MLK Jr. had the right approach and a cause worth addressing and he got a lot farther than anyone else ever has by flipping a car over.

    So yeah, IMO I think that the Police, National Guard or civilians defending their businesses or homes ought to be able to use extreme force against extreme stupidity. As for a business owner, talk about your disparity of force. Those lighting molotov coctails should be shot or this happens... London riots: police lose battle as lawlessness erupts - Telegraph

    ~ Residents accused the police of abandoning them. Matthew Yeoland, 43, a teacher from Peckham, where property was set ablaze, said: "It's like a war zone and the police weren't doing anything. There were too many people and not enough police."~

    Can you blame them? Really, they were "accused?" Looks like people should also be able to take care of themselves when this happens huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mprp View Post
    It's really beyond me how we can tune in and watch so many animals on the streets that are willing to go out and cause their community so much damage. All these idiots want to do is be where the action is, loot, rob, arson and be on TV like they really have a cause worth violence. (Usually a sports team's loss or something else pretty stupid or maybe a court case that didn't go through our system like they thought it should) MLK Jr. had the right approach and a cause worth addressing and he got a lot farther than anyone else ever has by flipping a car over.

    So yeah, IMO I think that the Police, National Guard or civilians defending their businesses or homes ought to be able to use extreme force against extreme stupidity. As for a business owner, talk about your disparity of force. Those lighting molotov coctails should be shot or this happens... London riots: police lose battle as lawlessness erupts - Telegraph

    ~ Residents accused the police of abandoning them. Matthew Yeoland, 43, a teacher from Peckham, where property was set ablaze, said: "It's like a war zone and the police weren't doing anything. There were too many people and not enough police."~

    Can you blame them? Really, they were "accused?" Looks like people should also be able to take care of themselves when this happens huh?
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    Im not worried about the Riot suits. When the black Russian helos hit, thats when Ill worry.....
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