Insurrection, Rebellion - Hypothetical response or PLANNED?
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If you look at as we ...
August 10th, 2012 10:26 PM
When you ask what would our military do, you have to frame it along with where the country is.
If you look at as we stand right now, little chance of that happening.
However jump ahead a few years we are a couple years into socialism , this everyone is the same stuff is not working out. Living in the peoples housing, the peoples market. Resources are drying up.
People are going to do what they think they must . If it means getting food housing and other resource you can bet they will find people to carry out the orders.
They always have and always will.
What the US military can and can not do is largely governed by The Posse Comitatus Act. To reply on the protections if you want to call it that in the act you would need to assume we had a government that was still following the US Constitution as we read it now. Slim chance of that if the nation moved to a socialist government. The reason being socialism is not compatible with our current reading of the Constitution. Individual rights, property ownership due process those thing kind of get in the way.
State National guard can do just about anything they want with in their state. That is why they are Not reserve units on paper. They can be and are equipped with Federal dollars.
Active duty units train Guard units all of the time. Every Guard unit in this country is assigned to an active duty component . Guard units only become federal troops when the president signs them over.
So when you want to explore these ideas try not to think of the country as you see it now, think of it as one that has for the most part ruled the Constitution out dated and irrelevant.
A government that has take to rule by decree, based solely on what those in power feel is just and right.
Last point all that must change for the Federal Government to disregard the Posse Comitatus Act and darn near very other applicable law is declare it an act of Foreign terrorism .
Then the gloves are off They can use federal troops.
I have seen how fast things can fall apart so have you if you think about it. Problem is it was another land and not your problem at the time so you payed little attention to it.
Ever been in a country when it hits the fan, right ,wrong, laws go quickly, you would not believe the thing people will do.
Most senior Military NCO's and Officers have some knowledge of the Posse Comitatus Act and the way it has been worked around a bit over the years.
Some of you have heard of it few have read it.
Do what you must, I have to sit this next fight out getting to old and to tired for any more.
August 10th, 2012 11:50 PM
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August 11th, 2012 04:12 AM
I hope you're right but history does not seem to support this statement. Times may change but human nature doesn't. There are ample examples throughout history of men ignoring deep seated taboos to simply "obey orders". Hasn't the military invested significant effort in developing a system to get men (who are not sociopaths) to kill other men? On command? Without thinking?
Originally Posted by oneshot
I honestly hope my hatred never runs so deep that I would cheer for the slaughter of Americans irrespective of their political affiliations.
Originally Posted by wdbailey
August 11th, 2012 04:36 AM
Didn't America have a war with brother against brother at one time....
Insurrection, Rebellion - Hypothetical response or PLANNED?
While it could be a possibility in all likelihood the rebels would not come out on top. The rebels have extremely limited access(most not at all) to the weapons necessary to prevail. The federal government has automatic weapons, tanks, fighter jets, bombs, rockets, etc., etc. The odds are against the rebels from the start. Keep in mind the American revolution was, for the most part, played out on an even field.
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August 11th, 2012 10:00 AM
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August 11th, 2012 11:56 AM
Coming to a Country near you soon by U.N. Mandate. If we let them!. Beware!!!.
August 11th, 2012 03:15 PM
To say that this CANNOT happen is ignorant. To say that it WILL happen is a bit alarmist. Keeping an eye on social indicators is the smart move. Prepare for the worse, pray it never happens.
Don"t let stupid be your skill set....
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August 11th, 2012 09:09 PM
You wonder how bad things might get? I look at how bad they've already gotten...
You read history don't you? If you care to see how precisely it might be repeating itself, and if you wonder about the future direction of our country, you might take a look at the book in my sig line.
It scared me. It might scare you, too.
P.S. I need to warn you, fairly, the book has a Christian bent. But, the historical similarities are absolutely incredible. I'm not pushing any religious stance at all. I really find the coincidences in the book fascinating, and frightening.
It could be worse!
August 11th, 2012 09:25 PM
That is one thing that wasn't.
Keep in mind the American revolution was, for the most part, played out on an even field.
A bunch of ragtag milita types and an American Army that didnt even have consistent uniforms or arms, fighting the most powerful Army and Navy in the world at that time.
Most people thought that it was futile effort and certain to end in the rebels getting hung, but it didn't happen that way. America gained its independence against odds that would have any military student betting that there was no way for the rebels in America to win.
Most people assume the our military would march in step and do what they were told to do. Knowing some high ranking officers, I don't think it will be a unified effort by the military like some would like to assume. In fact, I think that the military may be as divided as it was during the Civil War.
When one says that the military has all the guns and tanks and heavy weapons, that is correct. What it not correct is assuming that all of them will be used against American citizens. The military has talked about this very thing for years...thus the dependence on foreign troops to "step in" and restore order.
What they don't realize that while many Americans would hesitate to fire on the own people, they would have no hesitation to fire upon and eliminate those that work under the authority of the Blue Flag.
In any scenario that is played out, there can only be one conclusion and it will be very,very ugly.
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August 11th, 2012 09:40 PM
So let me get this straight, a gaggle of weirdos and misfits storm the state capital, raid the National Guard Armories, detain all elected officials whom they disagree with and disarm the police and we are suppose to do what?
Wait for them to begin Star Chamber Trials?
Let them secede?
Are we suppose to sit on our thumbs and whine about "out of control" Federal government under such conditions?
I've heard way too much idiotic trash talk from people I'm close too that sounds just like this sort of lunacy. If you think that the proper response to losing an election is insurrection then let me remind you...napalm sticks to kids.....
August 11th, 2012 10:09 PM
I'm in my mid 20s and I am very afraid that I will see chaos in my lifetime. Most every point I could make has already been made but if SHTF and it's TEOTWAWKI I'm going to be doing one thing. Grabbing my go-bag and heading for the hills.
As Hank Jr. says... "a country boy can survive."
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August 11th, 2012 10:23 PM
You should have been ready yesterday. Now? Matters little in the end game. Just be ready.
August 12th, 2012 05:48 PM
For years now, our troops have been getting the question; can/will you fire on your own countrymen? Usually at a sit-around as an "informal" discussion and implying the most dire and 'legal' scenario possible. I've been asked (pre-1995), friends have been asked (Army, Navy and Marines), My son has been asked. Scary isn't it?
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August 12th, 2012 07:00 PM
Even the Bible said to "be ready". I think we should stick to that basic concept. We don't know the future even though we might place finances in it. Nothing is for sure. Sure thing is that we can alter the future. Thing is....most focus on the now (present), and what they want (selfishness). The road ahead has not yet been paved.
August 13th, 2012 10:26 AM
And if you think for a minute that the American People would put up with napalm sticking to their kids...
Originally Posted by wdbailey
I believe, and fervently hope, that no matter the original cause, the government who used that napalm on those kids would be held accountable by the population... Waco and Ruby Ridge infuriated some people... If napalm had been used... and the press got hold of it... we would have been in a civil war...
It could be worse!
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