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    And the point is? Everybody knows what she did was wrong. The point is the LEO IMO and others abused his authority. Charge with the felony and let the courst deal with it. Now all you did was make LEO's look like thugs in the eyes of many and will most likely cost the city money
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    How I would react to someone spitting on me is obviously not going to be the same as a LEO.

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    I can appreciate what you said about carrying and needing to be aware of my response to a given situation with the possibility of escalating violence. Many times I ask myself what would I do if I weren't carrying.

    No one likes to be spit on. I think most people would prefer to be slapped or punched rather than be spit on. In some states there are still laws that forbid you to spit on a sidewalk! There are laws that define spitting on someone as an assault. So I think we have to agree that spitting on someone is repulsive, degenerate, dangerous and criminal.

    We attend CCW classes that teach us that we must use all other options before resorting to the use of our gun. Taking into consideration that there is a difference between myself and a LEO, did the LEO use all other options before resorting to using his weapon? A taser is considered non-lethal. So I have to say that he did. Were there other options available to him? IMO there were.

    How many times have we seen in the past where an officer, before non-lethal options existed, had to engage in physical restraint/subdue tactics only to end up with a lawsuit claiming brutality? So they came up with a method so the LEO could avoid the use of physical force if possible.

    And finally my 2cents; If you step over the line you should expect there to be a price for doing so. LE have a tough job to do everyday. They see and deal with the dredge of society. And most people shun them for doing their job. Yes, there are some bad cops out there. But that is not a reason to judge them all as bad.

    I was brought up to respect LE and I still do to this day. I don't fault the officer for reacting the way he did. I agree he had some other options available to him but I don't think that this one was wrong.
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    I knew a guy who was in the backseat of a squad car and he thought it was a good idea to spit on the cop. The cop pulled over and beat the hell out of the guy. People probably shouldn't spit on cops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    I did not know the power of a LEO was to get mad at someone that spat on him and taze them in retribution. The lady showed no more signs of aggression. Take leo out of this and insert you or me. We would be in jail right now.

    Yeah, let us bring back the good old days.
    That is your interpretation of the events in the video. Others have said that he kept his cool.
    If I try to arrest someone, I am likely to go to jail for kidnapping. As a civilian I do not have the same powers as an LEO. WHEC said it very effectively above.

    Law and order in society require that certain sanctioned ofiicials be commended a certain level of respect. That does not give them carte blanche, but they do have more power than civilians as long as they retain their position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericb327 View Post
    After reading some posts and a bit of retrospect I have something to add. I have seen countless posts where members preach about use of force by civilians. Some responses here are quite interesting about what would happen if someone spit in your face! What if you're carrying? Do you respond with escalating force while armed? You've just made use of your firearm quite hard to defend in court. Now is the time to stand by your convictions and call the police and be a good witness. Your decision to go armed has limited your ability to respond with escalated force as some would argue although spitting could be assault, its not life threatening.

    Any thoughts?
    What reason would anyone have to spit in your face out of the blue? I can tell you if someone walked up to me for no reason and spit in my face, they are getting a whooping. That is why you carry in a secure holster. I fought thousands of people throughout my LE career and never lost my gun.

    on a side note Duct tape is still a viable option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    I'm gonna tell you my opinion on it and some of you arent gonna like it, but it is, what it is.

    Back in the day spitting on a cop was an automatic thrashing. Meaning if you were stupid enough to spit on a cop, then you had to be able to accept the consequences. Most people knew that so it was never was much of an issue.
    Call it a detterant if you will. Most of us grew up knowing that if you pissed off a cop there was gonna be consequences.

    Now,rather than break bones, tear ligaments and generally makes some of these half wits with even uglier by placing strategically located knots on their head, the only detterrant that makes sense is a taser. Its safer, get the point across and is cheaper than getting someone repaired at the ER.

    Now, with all the touch feely crap being taught in society, its OK for people to do whatever they want to a cop without expecting any retaliation at all and if a cop doing his job even looks at you crosseyed then you want to spend the next two years in court because he violated your civil rights. It's upside down and this entitlement mentality is part of whats killing this country.

    No longer do you have to be responsible for your actions, what ever you do to a cop, is now OK and you expect to get away with it scott free. Now any further action is called "retribution" or punishment. Lets see what other buzzwords will come to pass on the rest of this thread. Yeah, its all the cops fault. He was being mean by using a taser instead of an ASP or a Blakjack or just body slamming the offender.

    Had I been witness to it, I probably would have removed the barbs and said something like, " hey, you shouldnt have spit on the officer" while picking her up and placing a specially created bag over her head to keep her from doing it again.

    I have no sympathy for the woman that was stupid enough to spit on the cop. She should be glad she didn't do it 20 years ago and that she still has her teeth left.

    One thing is for certain. She'll think about it before she spits on the next cop.

    If I had got tased and went home and whined to my Dad about it, he would have simply said" son...you shouldn't have spit on a cop. I thought I taught you better than that."

    Sometimes it hurts to be stupid.
    EXACTLY!!! I cannot believe how backwards the world has become. Why is it okay for her to spit on a cop? If I was out in town and someone spit on me we would be having ourselves a scuffle. I like this "Sometimes it hurts to be stupid" in our family we say "If youre going to be dumb, you gotta be tough"

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2jlking View Post
    EXACTLY!!! I cannot believe how backwards the world has become. Why is it okay for her to spit on a cop? If I was out in town and someone spit on me we would be having ourselves a scuffle. I like this "Sometimes it hurts to be stupid" in our family we say "If youre going to be dumb, you gotta be tough"
    I don't think anyone is questioning if it was OK for her to spit on the cop or saying that it was, the matter is was the officer's action an appropriate response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    You are right. I don't like that attitude at all and here is why: It has ZERO to do with being touchy feely and sympathizing for the woman. In fact, I would like to have done the same.
    But, you have a LEO who is is not suppose to be handing out punishment, he did it to a woman that was handcuffed (come on dude, I can see if she was not...maybe). The officer lost his cool in a non threatening enviroment with one handcuffed lady in a room full of LEO's with camera's. If he can not handle himself to make a smart decision in this situation how do you expect him to handle others that can involve life and death.

    And the good old day s you are talking about....there was police abuse that was condoned and accepted.

    The only thing the LEO did was make cops look like thugs in the yes of many, put his career at risk, may bring a lawsuit against his city..and all because he lost his cool.

    Good plan. That is who i want with a gun walking around enforcing the law.
    I don't disagree with everything you said, just most of it. Honestly it did look like punishment. BUT he did not seem like he lost his cool, looked pretty calm to me. Threats of lawsuits, losing his job, making cops look like thugs. All of that is a direct result of the fact that people REFUSE to take responsibility for their own actions. Instead of blaming the cop, lets blame the woman who felt she had the right to spit in someones face. She WAS handcuffed, but handcuffs don't stop you from spitting whatever is in that filthy mouth all over a cop, apparently. Finally, better she was tased then get a beat down. I have no problem with that cop walking around with a gun, I have a problem with people spitting on police, and then everyone comes to their defense because they get tased. She deserved it. Learn the lesson. The cop didn't randomly tase her, or tase her for talking or yelling. She spit on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billstaf View Post
    The cop was out of line and the department will likely end up squirting out a bunch of money to make this go away. Dealing with a dumb subject does not authorize the cops to act the same way. Taseing a cuffed person is way beyond necessary.

    I thought that all cops had spit hoods now. That would have solved the issue without having the department end up getting sued.
    The problem is you have to get spit on to know its time to use it.

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    Today on Police One............

    Video: Okla. cop suspended for TASERing woman who spit on him

    There are some simple inside the upper arm pain complience/come along techniques that look like you are just holding the suspects upper arm that could have been used to escort the women immediately from the booking area to a cell after the spitting incident and she may have wished she was tased instead but many jurisdiction do not teach them any more and rely on "new technology" to handle all their needs.

    This was a situation for "old school" technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old School View Post
    Huh, who would have thought....

    Williams claims she was provoked to spit, but admitted to resisting arrest.
    She told the Tulsa World she and the officer “were having a conflict.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by JD View Post
    I don't think anyone is questioning if it was OK for her to spit on the cop or saying that it was, the matter is was the officer's action an appropriate response.
    Fair enough. However, by condemning the officers response, in my opinion, we are missing the real issue. Lack of respect for your fellow human being, and taking responsibility for your actions.

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    Spitting is nasty. You spit on anyone you deserve to have your butt knocked to the ground. You spit on an officer a tasering is exactly what you deserve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
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    A woman (we can call her an idiot) is handcuffed and mouths and spits at a LEO in a police station. He then tases her. Look, I understand he was upset I think we have to agree that is not the appropriate time to taze someone.

    I think what is more disturbing is that none of the LEO's in the building seem to think it was wrong.

    What say you? Both LEO and non
    I'm not a LEO, but I have no problem with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by minimalbrat View Post
    OVER THE TOP NO WAY

    Spitting is nasty. You spit on anyone you deserve to have your butt knocked to the ground. You spit on an officer a tasering is exactly what you deserve.
    You are comfortable knowing the police can decide on their own what it is that they feel you deserve?

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