Where were the Marine Embassy Guards??

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    Where were the Marine Embassy Guards??

    First, I proclaim my ignorance up front. My barracks used to back up against the Marine barracks that trained the embassy guards. I thought all embassies had a trained corps of Marine Guards. I believe that the perimeter of embassies are guarded by the host country, but step inside the walls and it's Marines (as well as American land). Where were the Marines?

    Second, it is my understanding (and I could be more than wrong) that the Ambassador has the last word on whether the Marines should fire or lay down their arms (remember Iran?). Could that have happened here?

    Finally, I am beyond angry. We have the 9/11 anniversary. We have Libya that is anything but stable coming off a civil war. So we send our Ambassador and diplomats over there unprotected? Maybe I'm really missing something. Somebody was asleep at the switch and some heads need to roll. Sadly, it'll be some small change schmuck who will take the brunt of this. And, of course, now the the barn door is open, we are racing to send Marines to Libya. What in the world is happening with our intelligence and defense?
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    I wondered too, but I bet they were out-numbered and out-gunned.
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    It's being reported that the ambassador and his two escorts were heading BACK to the embassy and were attacked and were not inside when attacked.

    Ambassador Chris Stevens, 52, died as he and a group of embassy employees went to the consulate to try to evacuate staff as the building came under attack by a mob firing machine-guns and rocket-propelled grenades. He was the first U.S. ambassador to be killed in the line of duty since 1979
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    U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens killed in consulate attack in Libya

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    The protection of the "embassy" is the Marines tasking. The protection of the diplomats, I believe, is the tasking of the Diplomatic Security Service personnel. Seeing as we don't know yet exactly what happened and who was protecting whom, I feel it's a bit early to break out the slings and arrows of fault finding.

    It would be interesting to see what happens if our gov't were to announce that it would not be responding to any assaults on the Libyan (or Iranian, etc.) consulates in D.C. next week. Would the walls be breached, or are we too civil? I think the latter.
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    Not trying to be politcal, I wonder if the fact that the President does not have time for his daily security briefings had an affect. He has not attended one in the last week and has only attended 43% over his entire term. Every 9/11 anniversary that I remember, we rasied security levels around embassies and other government targets. For some reason, this year it got dropped.

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    Not all diplomatic facilities have Marine Security Guard detachments. Only those that a) have the "need" and b) process and/or store classified information have MSG Dets. That said, a typical Det is 6 people, with only 1-3 "on duty" at any given time - even if there were a Det there, it wouldn't be enough to stop a mob of thousands. Additionally, the primary mission of the MSG Det is to protect the classified information stored/processed in diplomatic facilities. They do have responsibilities for the facilities and personnel, but those are secondary. The Det at any Embassy/Consulate falls under direct operational control of the Regional Security Officer (RSO), who is a Special Agent with the Diplomatic Security Service, and the decision of how and when to deploy the Marines, as well as the establishment of the ROE, is a DSS function (keeping in mind that the Ambassador DOES have final say over everything that happens within his country, but that the responsibility for all security operations is delegated to the RSO).

    If there was an MSG Det there, they would likely have been posted behind the "hard line" doors trying to keep the bad guys from actually breaching the interior of the building. It would be nearly impossible to prevent a giant mob from storming the grounds and attacking with heavy MGs and RPGs. They are reporting now that two of the dead are "security officers" from the Consulate, so I am now just waiting to see how well I knew them...
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    Who shows up at a demonstration with AK's and RPG's..........?
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    Well, Americans have been showing up at all sorts of demonstrations openly displaying "assault rifles" and such. The difference, aside from the RPGs, is the intent and the implementation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    Who shows up at a demonstration with AK's and RPG's..........?
    Are you saying you want to infringe on the Libyans right to bear arms ? Some folks here think that we should be able to walk around with a nnuke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phreddy View Post
    Not trying to be politcal, I wonder if the fact that the President does not have time for his daily security briefings had an affect. He has not attended one in the last week and has only attended 43% over his entire term. Every 9/11 anniversary that I remember, we rasied security levels around embassies and other government targets. For some reason, this year it got dropped.
    Let's keep the politics out or this puppy will be locked. I really want to get some knowledgeable perspective from some of our forum that have a better scope of just what our defensive (offensive?) policy is for our diplomats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Are you saying you want to infringe on the Libyans right to bear arms ? Some folks here think that we should be able to walk around with a nnuke.

    Might not be very good idea to go poking them with sticks in that case...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXxplosive View Post
    Who shows up at a demonstration with AK's and RPG's..........?
    Nearly everyone in that part of the world. And I knew OPFOR would chime in with the real security info. HE KNOWS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Are you saying you want to infringe on the Libyans right to bear arms ? Some folks here think that we should be able to walk around with a nnuke.
    I'm not supposed to be carrying my thermonuclear hand grenades?
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    Confirmed that there were no MSGs assigned to the Consulate in Benghazi.
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    Old rules and ideas do not apply anymore. Security has in many case been turned over to local hired guns. Fox guarding the chicken coup, So as not to offend anyone.
    Has not worked out to well. Someone figured it would be a good idea to hire Muslims to guard Americans.
    Did not work in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya ect..... but some still thinks it is a workable plan.

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