Seattle police shooting ignites debate

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    Seattle police shooting ignites debate

    So, the Seattle police shot a 77-year-old guy suffering from dementia (they did not know about his ailment).

    He comes to the door of his house holding a gun. He does not respond to repeated commands to drop the gun. Instead, he raises the muzzle toward the police. They fire.

    Now the aftermath quarterbacking erupts.

    Man shot by Seattle police had dementia, family says | Local News | The Seattle Times

    Seattle cops shoot man to death in S. Seattle - seattlepi.com



    I did a column on this here, simply asking people What would YOU have done?:

    Seattle shooting: What would you have done? - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com


    We'll see how many of the keyboard commandos have the stones to post a response below the column. Don't be shy about posting your observations here, either.

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    If someone points a gun at me, 77, 100, 12, I dont care, its a life or death situation at that point. I couldn't care less what illness or motives they may have.

    The people claiming they should have used a taser are morons.
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    Cops don't know about his dementia, just that there's a 77 year old man pointing a gun at them. At that point, all bets are off. Good shoot IMO.
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    From the facts available I would say this was a good shoot. When a man is told to drop his handgun ignores the request and instead raises it and aims it at you time for discussion is over.
    "I feel there could have been other methods. They could have Tased him. He was an older man, and he was a sick man. It's just wrong how they went in and did that to him," Williams said.
    First the officers do not know that he is sick. Secondly I am no spring chicken any more and I am physically disabled but, with a handgun in my hands I become the equal to most younger more physically able men.

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    Good shoot, definitely. Without prior knowledge about the man, the cops did exactly what they should have done. If someone points a gun at you, they are an immediate threat to your life and must be stopped.
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    Almost sounds like suicide by cop to me... he set the scene and acted it out.

    The only question I have is, during a 911 call is there time or the ability to find about about the caller prior to arrival? Is it ever protocol to check criminal/medical background?

    These are just questions I have... if anyone knows the answer, thank you.

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    The officers who fired will live with that moment for the rest of their lives, but at least they will live. For that I am grateful. Every time I hear about a police shooting in the Seattle area, or anywhere for that matter, my thoughts go straight to a close friend, Deputy Sheriff Richard Anthony Herzog, King County Sheriff's Office, Washington who could have fired when his moment came, but didn't.
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    It seems that the police did what they had to do, they had no way of knowing the mental state of the gentleman. He could have been having a violent episode and shot his neighbors.

    As soon as he pointed the gun at someone he became a threat and had to be taken care of, it is unfortante that he was killed but I do not fault the polce for thier actions
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    Not a Good shoot, but an understandable one.
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    "People in Arizona carry guns," said a Chandler police spokesman. "You better be careful about who you are picking on."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    Almost sounds like suicide by cop to me... he set the scene and acted it out.
    My thought as well.

    Can't fault the cops on this one.

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    THis is in no way the fault of the police, if anything its the family's fault for not taking away all of his guns.
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    It is always a lot easier to judge it later. The problem is the LEO had seconds. A gun is pointed at you what do you do?

    The shooting seems to be justified based on what we do know.


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    "I feel there could have been other methods. They could have Tased him. He was an older man, and he was a sick man. It's just wrong how they went in and did that to him," Williams said." (Monday morning quarterback)

    Sad all the way around, but if someone is pointing a gun at me, I am defending myself. Sickness or not. Who knows, the dementia may have made him pull the trigger because he did not know any better. Cannot blame the LEOs for this.
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    I blame the family for not taking the guns away. They probably didn't consider the car keys either. Sometimes you have to protect people from themselves.
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    Tragic and preventable. I blame the family, not the police, on several counts. First they knew he suffered from dementia and Alzheimer Disease, yet they left him with guns in his possession. Secondly, with the 2 problems he suffered from, he should not have been living on his own. The police had no way of knowing about the problems. They are confronted by an armed man who refused to follow directions, and then pointed the gun at them. They did what they had to do. IMO.
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