More dead offenders.Quote:
does anyone have a real working solution?
This wikipedia article has a pretty good explaination of RWA.
From the article:
In essence, this is what I envision when one says put a stop to "liberal" judges, cries for mandatory sentencing without parole, etc. The opposite of "liberal" judges who are free use legal interpretations and their own judgment to gauge an appropriate response and instead require a strict adherence to a set of arbitrary rules. There are several threads in this forum that show several members here engage in RWA thinking, for example, the current thread about the illegal border crossing and the tire shooting from the helicopter.Quote:
Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them.
Right wing authoritarianism is defined by three characteristics:
1) Authoritarian submission — a high degree of submissiveness to the authorities who are perceived to be established and legitimate in the society in which one lives
2)Authoritarian aggression — a general aggressiveness directed against deviants, outgroups, and other people that are perceived to be targets according to established authorities
3)Conventionalism — a high degree of adherence to the traditions and social norms that are perceived to be endorsed by society and its established authorities, and a belief that others in one's society should also be required to adhere to these norms
This very thing happened here in Oklahoma. A few counties got stuck when the state did not fill their new larger jails with inmates. Now taxes have to be raised to pay off the jail bonds.Quote:
Actually, I think the real danger is that your sheriff will start to take prisoners from other counties
on contract to pay for the over- capacity. Then, he'll go to the voters wanting more
COs, and at that point your taxes will go up to pay for it.
Prisons are the largest business in the US. The US has more people in prison than Russian and China combined.
ONLY if they report honestly, which is doubtful. I would label that comment ludicrous, actually. Don't forget the Russian Gulag, and I am certain the Chinese have a Gulag also. I'll go see what I can find.Quote:
The US has more people in prison than Russian and China combined.
There are also many businesses in the US which are much larger than Prisons. Just look at the Fortune 500 or 1000 of Russell 2000.
Its hard to say for sure, but I doubt there is any corporation that comes close.
What's the book value of Apple? How many people does it employ domestically?
How many COs do we employ across all city, county, state, and Federal entities?
What's the book value for the prison land and structures alone?
Comparable statistics are hard to find, but...........
USA for 2010 (From DOJ):
The ICPS estimated 2,266,000 or so, all in.Quote:
In addition, the total U.S. prison population fell to 1.6 million at yearend 2010, a decline of 0.6 percent during the year, the first decline in the total prison population in nearly four decades. This decline was due to a decrease of 10,881 in the number of state prisoners, which fell to just under 1.4 million persons and was the largest yearly decrease since 1977. The federal prison population grew by 0.8 percent (1,653 prisoners) to reach 209,771, the smallest percentage increase since 1980.
These figures may exclude state, city or provencial detainees, and they do exclude pre-trial detainees estimated between 100,000 to 260,000Quote:
1,640,000 at April 2012 (Ministry of Justice - sentenced prisoners in Ministry of Justice prisons only, excluding pre-trial detainees and those held in administrative detention.) The Deputy Procurator-General of the Supreme People's Procuratorate reported in 2009 that, in addition to the sentenced prisoners, more than 650,000 were held in detention centres In China. If this is still correct in April 2012 the total prison population in China is more than 2,300,000.
This excludes any state of provinces, and is laughable low. Remember the Gulag...............Putin is a liar too, so go figureQuote:
712,500 at 1.10.2012 (national prison administration)
Geo Group Inc. is a diversified prison administration company publicly traded on the NYSE. About Us
The Market Capitalization of GEO (what the stock market says it is worth in total) is $1,660,000,000
GEO manages 75,00 beds
So..........in a simplistic fashion (subject to arguments, of course), the stock market says that managing a bed in a prison is "worth" about $22,000. This is obtained by dividing Market Capitalization by the number of beds managed, or $1,660,000,000 /75,000)..........
So, if we have 1,600,000 prisoners in the USA ("Beds"), take $22,133 X 1,600,000, or a Market Capitalization of $35 billion. So, in simplistic terms, the "business" of managing prison beds in the USA is "worth" 35 billion. Now, let's compare that to some other businesses in the USA:
Prisons $35 Billion (Estimate)
GE $221 Billion (worldwide)
YUM Brands (Pizza) $32 Billion (worldwide)
Pepsico $106 Billion (worldwide)
Exxon $397 Billion (worldwide)
Apple $514 Billion (worldwide)
Lorillard $14 Billion (predominantly USA)
McDonalds $85 Billion (worldwide)
Citigroup $105 Billion (predominantly USA)
Home Depot $91 Billion (predominantly USA)
Lowes $35 Billion (predominantly USA)
Sure, my comparison is rough, but prisons don't rank.
If you look at Public Education K-12: That dwarfs prisons at first glance;
Universities: Dwarfs prisons
I could go on, but it is all estimates anyway.
Having said that, I believe there is a significant incarceration rate problem in the USA, and I shudder, but let's keep the discussion on level footings.
Good--- Makes sense.