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    Need help from any law enforcment on here

    To anyone on here who is in law enforcement,

    I am currently a student in Macomb Community College's law enforcement program. I was hoping you could answer a question for me. What are your thoughts on officers returning to the job after an arrest for operating while intoxicated. If you would be willing, please PM me your thoughts, and also if you would be willing, your name and department. (I assure you that your name and department will be separate from your thoughts on the issue.) Also, if any non-LE people out there would be willing to give me their thoughts, that would be great, but really need the LE.

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    I have a lot of thoughts. Are you referring to yourself and how to navigate the system after a DUI? Or are you just looking for opinions on the subject as a whole?
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    Sounds like thoughts for an assignment

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    Thoughts from a non- LE.

    As much as I like to forgive people and give second and third chances,
    were I a hiring officer I'd have a hard time putting such a person back into a position of trust.

    I also would need to look into the deep specifics, based on the individual state law, regarding
    the implications of that arrest on legal ability to carry.

    Folks make mistakes and my personal preference is to try to provide for rehabilitation whenever
    possible. In this type of circumstance --even if totally possible legally-- I could not see allowing that
    person back on the street.

    All of that said, there might be some AADA (Amended Americans with Disabilities Act) aspects that
    would apply to decision making. Was the alcohol incident due to a "disability" or "illness" and would the
    AADA law prohibit firing due to the disability?

    There are some complexities only a human resources professional or attorney could address.
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    Not in LE. My thoughts are this. We all make mistakes. If it is a normal DUI (not a felony DUI) then if he pays his debt to society than why ruin his career. Just because of bad judgement one night while drinking doesn't mean bad judgement on T's job sober.

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    In my department getting arrested for a crime (Misdemeanor or Felony) is grounds for dismissal. Most often the Officer would be suspended without pay for a time then reinstated on modified assignment. (No firearms, and no law enforcement duties) This is where the nickname "Rubber gun squad" comes from. The officer will remain on modified during the course of the criminal action. On rare occasion the officer will be refused modified assignment. Even more rare the officer may be summarily dismissed. After the criminal case is complete if the officer is convicted of a crime he is given a department trial board and is usually dismissed. If there is some other disposition from the courts other than not guilty the officer is given a trial board and then given a department punishment. Anything from a repremand to termination. Usually a loss of vacation days, or a suspension for up to 44 working days. If the offence involved alcohol the officer has an option to go sick and sign himself into a rehabilitation program. (the farm)

    They kind of look at it as is the officer redemable, or was his infraction so grevious that he cant be trusted serve as an officer any more. As they call it "Actions contrary to the good order, and operation of the department. My department has an absoloute zero tolerance for illegal drugs.
    If an officer makes a mistake of the head... punish him and put him back to work.
    If an officer makes a mistake of the heart... he has to go.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingit View Post
    Not in LE. My thoughts are this. We all make mistakes. If it is a normal DUI (not a felony DUI) then if he pays his debt to society than why ruin his career. Just because of bad judgement one night while drinking doesn't mean bad judgement on T's job sober.
    Every Police Officer knows when he's hired that he's expected to conduct himself in an exemplory manner. An officer represents his department, the profession, and himself as an example for all to see. Police Officers know the rules at least as well as everyone else. There is NO excuse for an officer to behave badly enough that it effects their department and the profession. There is NO! excuse.
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    I find it hard to think that any officer from my department would still have a badge after that IMO.

    But my thoughts is that you can't throw stones if you life in a glass house. How can you condemn someone for OWI when you done the same thing.
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    OK - sounds to me like a homework assignment - though not very scientific in nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Spuk View Post
    If an officer makes a mistake of the head... punish him and put him back to work.
    If an officer makes a mistake of the heart... he has to go.
    That's one of the best ways I've ever heard it put...
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    Ive worked in a Major sized jail for the passed two decades and have seen some dismissed, some retired, and some reinstated. It mostly seems that thos who take personal responsibility for there actions and do whats necessary get to be reinstated.

    If you are looking for high profile cases the Sherriff of Madera County CA was arrested for DUI, He not only continued his duties but was easily re elected.
    The long time DA of Fresno county was also arrested for DUI, He chose retirement rather than dealing with his problems. He has since been arrested again and again for DUI, Hit and run, and DUI with GBI.
    The Area Commander of the California Highway Patrol was arrested for DUI and was forced to retire, After that he was elected as a Police Chief in Coalinga CA. Hes been there for about ten years without any more incedents.

    These were all published in the local newspapers. And if you need more I can provide names and aprox dates so You can look up the info for your self. DR

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    Non LEO here. I see 2 different scenario here.

    The first one is did happens while he's on duty. In this case, no leeway. If he's convicted, automatic and immediate removal from the department.

    The second, it happens off duty. In this case, you need to look at the circumstances behind it. To what level was he impaired, was there a legitimate reason why he was behind the wheel, was there an incident involved along with the DUI? All of those things should be taken into consideration prior to making the final decision.
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    If I am convicted of a DUI, I won't have a job. My industry requires me to drive company owned vehicles and my co. won't tolerate that offense due to liability reasons. Why should an officer of the law be given different treatment?
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    Re: Need help from any law enforcment on here

    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Non LEO here. I see 2 different scenario here.

    The first one is did happens while he's on duty. In this case, no leeway. If he's convicted, automatic and immediate removal from the department.

    The second, it happens off duty. In this case, you need to look at the circumstances behind it. To what level was he impaired, was there a legitimate reason why he was behind the wheel, was there an incident involved along with the DUI? All of those things should be taken into consideration prior to making the final decision.
    To the part of "was there a legitimate reason why he was behind the wheel" part: if an ordinary citizen were arrested for a DUI, they wouldn't give a ... why you were behind the wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzburgh View Post
    To the part of "was there a legitimate reason why he was behind the wheel" part: if an ordinary citizen were arrested for a DUI, they wouldn't give a ... why you were behind the wheel.

    -- I don't always post from my mobile but when I do, I prefer Tapatalk.
    I can think of only 1 legitimate reason for him being behind the wheel, that being a serious medical emergency. I'm not talking little Jimmy fell and broke his arm, I'm talking a life and death emergency.
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