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    How many armed guards (LEO's DHS whatever) or armed and trained faculty members can we have for $304.15 million (the cost of one F-35 fighter)?
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    I live in Palm Beach County Florida, and the county school system has their own School Police Department and has armed officers at the schools. My grandson attends the local high school and the police are well seen at the one and only entrance and throughout the school.
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    I would be all for giving veterans prefrance in something like this with proper screening and trianing. I would be better for some veterans not to be armed at a loud and and caotic school.
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    While I appreciate the concept, this would be a boon to the anti 2A crowd. Here how it works:

    1. Hire tens of thousands of well meaning guards for schools
    2. Raise taxes to pay for them.
    3. All would be unionized workers (SEIU, etc).
    4. Their union dues go to the democratic party under Obama
    5. With additional cash for lobbying, etc, Obama and the democrats pass more gun control.

    No thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    How many armed guards (LEO's DHS whatever) or armed and trained faculty members can we have for $304.15 million (the cost of one F-35 fighter)?
    An F-16 is for national defense and is paid for by the Federal Governemnt, Schools and school security is done and should be done by local and state funds.

    Just like we want the 2A to stand on its own I want the rest of the Constitution to stand on its own and that means ZERO Federal involvement in our schools.

    And on a side note I am still perplexed to know why a cook that served three years on a carrier makes him the right choice for armed security at a school.........
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    No need to hire anyone when we already have thousands upon thousands under active duty already being paid and capable to to the job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    No way! I do not want Homeland Security expanded. And the governments job is not to look for government jobs for people. We already have too many of them

    Schools are the purview local and state governments. Not the Federal. There should not even be a Dept. of Education.
    I wouldn't be in favor of expanding the size and scope of DHS either. The agency should have never been created in the first place, but Joe Lieberman and company didn't ask any of us that became part of it. Can you say knee jerk reaction? But I digress.

    I happen to know DHS has the capacity, with current personnel to manage the funding string. That's all I'm saying. I'm completely in your corner as to abolishing the Department of Education. It's duplicative, and serves no real purpose. Education is a local issue, and protecting our children is our issue.

    If we could just get the Treasury to drop the money in a state account, with strict regulation that it could only be used for it's intended purpose, I'd be in favor of that. And FYI, law enforcement officers that are part of the federal government aren't allowed to unionize. I know this didn't come from your post, but it allows me to get it out there without another response. :) Be safe friend.
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    They could be funded by federal grants and be local LEO's.

    We would not have to raise taxes just reallocate money from defense to education security

    They wouldn't be in unions in Alabama
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgrass101 View Post
    They could be funded by federal grants and be local LEO's.

    We would not have to raise taxes just reallocate money from defense to education security

    They wouldn't be in unions in Alabama
    That I have less of a problem with And on a side note DOD can downsized easily by 30 percent by........won't go there...too much off topic LOL
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    While I understand the desire to keep our kids "safer", we need to understand that 100% safety is not attainable. I love the dialogue that has taken place in a couple of threads here. But, the question we need to ask is:

    Do we want to live in a "police" state where there is a FALSE sense of security; but, our security will be 100% dependent on our government?

    OR-

    Do we want to live in a FREE society where there are risks; BUT, those risks can be minimized by taking MORE responsibility upon ourselves?


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    Kids get killed in autos. Outlaw kids in autos?
    Kids get struck by lightning during outside sports. Outlaw kids playing outside sports?
    Kids get killed on playgrounds. Outlaw playgrounds?
    Kids choke to death on hot dogs at the county fairs. This is a tough one. Outlaw hot dogs or county fairs?

    We can only work to minimize safety risks to our kids; they cannot be eliminated without raising our kids as sterile lab rats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Kids get killed in autos. Outlaw kids in autos?
    Kids get struck by lightning during outside sports. Outlaw kids playing outside sports?
    Kids get killed on playgrounds. Outlaw playgrounds?
    Kids choke to death on hot dogs at the county fairs. This is a tough one. Outlaw hot dogs or county fairs?
    Sorry OldVet, all your arguments make sense... but there's a problem with 'em.... See, at Sandy Hook... Satan used a GUN... an EVIL BLACK GUN.

    Satan drives a car, too... he even lets kids get hit by lightning, he made those merry go rounds, and he choked them kids at the county fair... but we didn't see that... We saw him USE A GUN at Sandy Hook... that's the problem... We saw it... HE USED A GUN.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Kids get killed in autos. Outlaw kids in autos?
    Kids get struck by lightning during outside sports. Outlaw kids playing outside sports?
    Kids get killed on playgrounds. Outlaw playgrounds?
    Kids choke to death on hot dogs at the county fairs. This is a tough one. Outlaw hot dogs or county fairs?

    We can only work to minimize safety risks to our kids; they cannot be eliminated without raising our kids as sterile lab rats.
    I don't evn buy those arguements. They are all accidents and not the act of an individual using a weapon (yes, it is a weapon) designed to inflict damge on people.

    This kind of reasoning most of us don't listen to.
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    But we want to protect kids from everything, don't we? Or are we going to pick and choose only those caused by "evil"?

    And yes, I was being factitious. But Satan making cars merry-go-rounds and hot dogs? Well, maybe hot dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    I don't evn buy those arguements. They are all accidents and not the act of an individual using a weapon (yes, it is a weapon) designed to inflict damge on people.

    This kind of reasoning most of us don't listen to.
    Yes, it's true. It's a weapon. Designed to inflict damage or to kill outright. To deer, to ground hogs, to paper targets. But in the end, it's true design function is to kill. The knife, spear, arrow, sword... were all designed for that same thing... We found peaceful uses for the knife... and there are peaceful uses for the spear and arrow as well... But their principal initial design was to kill.

    The original use of nuclear power was to kill as well.... We have found peaceful uses for it.

    Man seems to want to be able to control deadly forces... maybe that's why we appreciate guns... we can control it and use it's destructive powers for peaceable entertainment.

    But the lizard brain seeks out it's intended use... to kill. And, unfortunately, the higher brain gets cast aside in some folks. And the basest instinct take over and use the basest the basest function of the item close to hand...

    How do we put an end to THAT? Just thinking out loud.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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