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    Hopyard, I just saw this documentary on Ft. Knox in Kentucky to which when Roseavelt passed that law collecting all the gold he ordered everyone to bring it in or face hefty fines if not prison time. was a really cool show on the history channel.


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    I have to agree with others I do not think that this would ever come about but there are some good points made. I am not a believer in conspiracy's this is just a scenario of what could happen. Keep in mind if it ever got this bad we would have bigger things to worry about.

    As was pointed out if the confiscation of firearms was passed into a law of some sort then there would be no unlawful orders nor basis for wrongful termination suits. First many would turn in their guns voluntarily simply because we are law abiding. Then there would be some high profile raids where the owners would be jailed, prosecuted and big media campaign which would lead to more voluntary turn in's. The Government would use the threat of withholding funds to states/counties/cities to gain cooperation from local governments. You have to realize without these funds many locations would go belly up or have to cut programs and services to a point that they would become ineffective.

    Next would come raids where there were acts of violence committed and loss of life on both sides with high profile coverage which would lead to more turn in's kind of like a domino effect. There would not have to be a massive number of raids conducted. Neighbors would sell out their neighbors for cash rewards. We have all witnessed the greed and price gouging that has occurred in reference to anything related to firearms in the last few weeks without a single law being passed, do you really think Bob down the street who does not own firearms but knows you do cares what happens to you if he gets a WalMart gift card for every gun confiscated due to his tip?

    For the reasons stated the Government would not rely on local LE to accomplish this. An expansion of any number of Federal LE agencies or the creation of a new one would suffice in the beginning. This would be supplemented by Private Contractors who would do it for the money and in return they would remained armed. They would only answer to the agency that they are contracted to. The use of the military would require that Posse Comitatus be lifted, the expansion or creation of a Federal LE entity would not. Neither would the mobilization or use of contractors.

    I still have great faith, even with all it's flaws, in the Government and the people of our nation. Yep any number of things could happen including aliens invading but not likely. I am going to go with Glockman and continue to live my life as best I can and deal with things as they come up. Life is to short to go overboard on what might happen.
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    There is a such a thing as turning a blind eye, My answer is I didn't see anything...
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    guns? what guns.I thought this was a knitting forum

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    First will be voluntary gun registration, a reasonable thing, then after another shooting happens it will be deemed that we need to turn in the guns, those that don’t will face healthy fines, jail time, perhaps a nice reword for turning in your neighbor.
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    I was a deputy sheriff and I am a retired federal officer and I hate to disappoint a few on this site but if I was still working I would turn in my badge. In my eyes money does not buy respect or me, I can find a way to feed me and my wife. I took my oath but I will not take away the right to self defense and that means I will not take a unlawful order. that is where I stand and proud of it.

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    No. I'll put my money where my mouth is any day, as would any other LEO I work with. As for those who are saying we would when faced with dismissal; poppycock. I can't support my family when given a death sentence either, and that's what it would be. Also, when there is a will, there's a way... Yup you're right. I can't tell you how many people have got verbal warnings vs traffic tickets or how many drunks given rides home instead of rides to jail. There is a lot of discretion to be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KBSR View Post
    ..................I guess my reason for replying was to counter the misimpression that there was widespread gun confiscation along the affected area. Just isn't true.
    One or five hundred, does not matter, police officers did willfully, without hesitation, violate the people's rights under the Constitution. If there is one officer that will disregard his sworn oath, there are many more that will do so as proven by their actions after hurricane Katrina.

    There were apologies, what a joke. Compensation, paid for by the taxpayers, not by the people that ordered the confiscation of weapons or the people that carried out the order. How were the people that were shot and killed compensated? Yes, several officers were convicted for doing so, but they are still above ground, their victims are not.
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    I personally believe they (US gov.) would create some disaster, some kind of solar storm, I.E. cut communications so you couldn't call your brother or sister, take out town by town. confiscate town by town. But there are always leaks. By then It's underway. And like all L.E. and F.D.'s will do what is nessasary in a national emergency.
    Cut communication first and formost. And do what they do.
    But they haven't done it in Afganistan or Iraq.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntkb View Post
    First will be voluntary gun registration, a reasonable thing, then after another shooting happens it will be deemed that we need to turn in the guns, those that don’t will face healthy fines, jail time, perhaps a nice reword for turning in your neighbor.
    Wrong, the AWB has nothing to do with the recent or past incidents, the incidents are a perfect tool that is now being used by our government to ban all weapons in their effort to gain control of the masses without fear of an armed rebellion. History is in the making as it was made in many socialist countries in past history. The Fast and Furious program was another tool that was to be used to justify an AWB, but failed.
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    I can't support my family when given a death sentence either, and that's what it would be.
    SIXTO and Hotguns nailed it. If confiscation really started in earnest it would start a war against police in this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atctimmy View Post
    SIXTO and Hotguns nailed it. If confiscation really started in earnest it would start a war against police in this country.
    How can you say that? I believe that it could happen, but only if the local police were attempting to confiscate weapons. I don't believe if an AWB/confiscation is approved that local authorities would be directed to confiscate weapons and/or assist the federal authorities until the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution is amended or repealed. Remember the DOJ disallowed enforcement of federal laws by local authorities.
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    If there would ever be a 2nd American revolution there is one thing for sure.... It will be one hell of a bloody battle and it will make the first one look like a walk in the park.....
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    First, the entire premise of the question is flawed. LEOs that visit gun forums aren't the gun hating jackbooted thugs of fantasy. We are a part of the gun culture as much as anyone else. We visit the LGS, we go to the range, shoot matches, and even listen to FXHUMMEL1's songs. I'd be shocked if a LEO that visits this forum regularly would follow the order to take your guns. We're on your side and we don't want to see our non-duty guns disappear any more than you want to see your guns become scrap. However there are plenty of people in uniform that disagree with us. They may not be numerous, particularly away from the big urban centers, but they do exist. That's important to keep in mind because that minority group is good about talking to the media and being recorded doing stupid things.

    Katrina happened 8 years ago and we've witnessed members of this forum giving some pretty harsh treatment to an officer that was in the area but did not participate. I don't know what the intended purpose of that treatment was, but it is a mistake. It may come as a newsflash to some, but cops tend to stick together. Let some 22 year old rookie see you attacking an officer for something and he'll be turned against you for life. (Hyperbole, but you get the point.) The comments coming from those not associated with law enforcement that the police will always do as they're told aren't particularly helpful either. Don't give ammunition to the opposition folks.

    Finally, and this kind of thinking has made people here mad before, but oh well, I don't think the situation would be nearly as dangerous for LEO's as some here have stated. If a ban comes many people will comply and turn in weapons. Of those that do not, many will try to hide and secure their guns. Very few are going to immediately turn to thoughts of violence. There may be pockets where the idiots that agree to go grab guns are targeted, but I don't think those will be common. Rather I think most people will be hoping they're not next on the raid list. When raided some will fight, most will likely do nothing. We're just not a warrior culture and I don't see any evidence of the population as a whole changing. Remember we're still a country of 310 million and fewer than 117 million found their way to the polls on election day. (And 59 million of those voted for the guy wanting to come after guns.) Unless I see some sort of dramatic public awakening in the near future I'll be left wondering where all of the opposition is going to come from. Maybe I'm missing something. For the sake of our country I would hope I'm missing something... fundamental rights being stripped away should have the people taking to the streets... but I just don't see the evidence.

    Anyway, to answer the question. There is a 0 percent chance I'm going to take a single gun from a law abiding citizen. And being in violation of an unconstitutional law stating you cannot own firearms does not remove you from the category of law abiding citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckusaret View Post
    One or five hundred, does not matter, police officers did willfully, without hesitation, violate the people's rights under the Constitution. If there is one officer that will disregard his sworn oath, there are many more that will do so as proven by their actions after hurricane Katrina.

    There were apologies, what a joke. Compensation, paid for by the taxpayers, not by the people that ordered the confiscation of weapons or the people that carried out the order. How were the people that were shot and killed compensated? Yes, several officers were convicted for doing so, but they are still above ground, their victims are not.
    IMO your comment holds water. Your talking about the NOPD. I'm sure NOPD has some fine upstanding officers. This is a department with a history of having ahhhhh ethics issues. They did do the weapons confiscation, they also were seen participating in the looting, and stealing automobiles, and shooting victims for crossing a bridge...

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