Why Do They Always Mention Waco and Oklahoma City April 19 Anniversaries
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April 16th, 2013 06:59 PM
Why Do They Always Mention Waco and Oklahoma City April 19 Anniversaries
But never mention Lexington Common, 1775? Everybody knows who McVeigh and David Koresh are, but few recognize the name of Captain John Parker.
April 16th, 2013 07:27 PM
There's "progress" for ya.
Cultural myopia. We've got it bad, here in the USA. But so do most of the surviving modern "powers" in the world today, who can't recall much beyond the last ice age. About the only ones who remember much beyond the past ~2000 years or so are the smaller/vanishing cultures with strong oral traditions and a reverence for their ancestors and their history.
April 17th, 2013 12:29 AM
Why don't they mention the wounded knee massacre Wounded Knee Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maybe because it didn't happen in the last 50 years. Give the nature of humanity I'm sure one day even 9/11 will be overshadowed by some other event in our history. Lets say 100-200 years from now? Seems to be how things work anyway.
April 17th, 2013 12:51 AM
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
"Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way."
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April 17th, 2013 03:01 AM
In short, because most Americans are under educated morons, Gen X and Millenials being the worst. They can tell you all about Kim K's baby bump or R Patz and K Stew being back together but will argue vehemently that they speak "Cubian" in Cuba*. Proud to say that I have only once been stumped in a random question about a historical figure/event from the past 50 years in conversation. It was a couple years ago when Arthur Bremmer was released from prison. I had no idea who he was (he shot George Wallace), I knew all about Wallace being shot but didn't know the name of the shooter. To be fair, it happened before I was born but still.
As far as mentioning April 19th in terms of Waco and the OKC Bombing, after what happened yesterday it makes sense given the circumstances. Also, the bombing of the Murrah building was in direct retaliation for what happened at Waco, McVeigh even said so himself in the discussions he had with the FBI in the months before he was executed. Prior to 9/11, the bombing was the worst terrorist attack in US history also.
*Last week, a young, college educated sales representative who works for my company actually said this to me in all seriousness, she truly believed that they speak 'Cubian' in Cuba. I wanted to smack my head against my desk repeatedly...
April 17th, 2013 06:46 AM
Yeah, well. In the USA, in altogether too many places, we speak 'Utopian' fluently.
Originally Posted by MJB_17
Ah, the privilege of a first-grade education, one without hard standards, one where folks aren't held to account for the failings, one where diplomas are awarded despite the inability to read, one where some would rather die than "hold back" others, ... Only in America, where the buck never stops "here."
April 17th, 2013 06:49 AM
The Wounded Knee Massacre didn't occur on April 19. Waco, Oklahoma City and Lexington did. We have an easy enough time remembering July 4, which is arguably much less significant than Lexington.
Originally Posted by 031131
April 17th, 2013 06:56 AM
Sounded more relevant in my head
April 17th, 2013 07:02 AM
The same reason you keep hearing about 9/11, and almost no one remembers December 7th any more.
We've become a nation of idiots with very short memories! Sort of like there is no national history prior to the Civil War (Except for that guy who chopped down that cherry tree).
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April 17th, 2013 07:08 AM
Pearl Harbor is acknowledged, at least briefly every year on December 7 by the media.
Originally Posted by rstickle
April 17th, 2013 07:18 AM
The part in bold is only partially correct. Is it possible that Lexington has fallen from national recognition because of McVeigh? The following excerpt is from a review of the book American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh:
Originally Posted by MJB_17
"McVeigh chose April 19 as the date to inflict self-righteous devastation for two reasons. Firstly, it was the second anniversary of the fiery standoff between federal law-enforcement agents and religious leader, David Koresh, and his Branch Davidian followers in Waco, Texas—a show of excessive federal government force against its own citizens that enraged McVeigh. Secondly, it was the 220-year anniversary of the Battle of Lexington and Concord, the militiaman skirmish that lead to the American Revolution.
With his 7,000-pound bomb made from ammonium nitrate fertilizer and the highly explosive fuel nitromethane, McVeigh “wasn’t looking to spark a revolution.” To him, the bombing was an “act of tactical aggression—nothing more, nothing less. … an act of extremism in the service of liberty”:
His actions would wipe many innocent people off the face of the earth, but someday, McVeigh was convinced, historians would call him a martyr, maybe even a hero. … [He wanted] to end what he saw as a pattern of government-propagated violence and aggression of which Ruby Ridge and Waco might be only the beginning. A sharp, forceful blow, he believed, might bring government to its senses.
As American Terrorist points out in its finely detailed and outstanding biographical rundown of McVeigh, his beliefs about the federal government’s infringement on individual freedoms and his staunch support of the right to bear firearms become more and more militant and paranoid. McVeigh was convinced that the United Nations planned a “New World Order”—an “establishment of a single world government designed to place severe limits on … freedom… with American gun owners their prime targets.”
April 20th, 2013 03:11 AM
My guess is that the media feels that most americans can't relate to something that happened one or two hundred years ago versus something in recent history. They say americans short memories, which I'm sad to say I'm beginning to believe.
Originally Posted by Mike1956
Heck, a lot of people forget that we still have troops in Afghanistan.
April 20th, 2013 04:13 AM
...most people don't read a lot anymore...they get news in bits and bites...and look up facts on the computer, not in encyclopedias, so they get the question answered, but no context to relate it to...I'm not very educated (H.S. and a few hours college courses) but I've read voraciously all my life...I'm amazed at things college-educated individuals don't know...if there's a substitute for reading, I don't know about it...
April 20th, 2013 04:36 AM
My guess is that the media is reluctant to bring up something that might make American's start to ponder how such principled, selfless acts that gave birth to the greatest nation this planet has ever seen deteriorated into the very type of a heavyhanded government that sought to escape. Keep 'em dumb, keep 'em amused, feed them their thoughts, but never, ever let them think for themselves. We know better afterall...
Originally Posted by LM2024
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpations” – James Madison 1788
April 20th, 2013 05:33 AM
I thought the following was an interesting indictment on the education our kids are getting today in our public schools. It might explain a lot.
What it took to get an 8th grade education in 1895...
Remember when grandparents and great-grandparents stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out. Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895?
This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina , Kansas , USA . It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society And Library in Salina , and reprinted by the Salina Journal.
8th Grade Final Exam: Salina , KS - 1895
Grammar (Time, one hour)
1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters.
2. Name the parts of speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define verse, stanza and paragraph
4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts of 'lie,''play,' and 'run.'
5. Define case; illustrate each case.
6 What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation.
7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.
Arithmetic (Time,1 hour 15 minutes)
1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. Deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. Wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3,942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts/bushel, deducting 1,050 lbs. For tare?
4. District No 33 has a valuation of $35,000.. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find the cost of 6,720 lbs. Coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft.. Long at $20 per metre?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance of which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt
U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton , Bell , Lincoln , Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865.
Orthography (Time, one hour)
1. What is meant by the following: alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'U.'
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, dis-mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane , vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks. And by syllabication.
Geography (Time, one hour)
1 What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas ?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of North America
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia , Odessa , Denver , Manitoba , Hecla , Yukon , St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each..
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth.
Notice that the exam took FIVE HOURS to complete.
Gives the saying 'he only had an 8th grade education' a whole new meaning, doesn't it?
No wonder they dropped out after 8th grade. They already knew more than they needed to know!
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