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    So for one of my final term papers I'm discussing the issue of homeless veterans (although this can basically be applied to every aspect of American life) and I have discovered (by discovered I mean I had no idea until looking this stuff up) that our government literally gives billions to other countries (almost every country) every year. Yet we have homeless veterans, homeless in general, people that can't afford medical treatments to save their lives, and countless other issues that could disappear if we just kept this money we give away regularly for one year.

    Making Sense Of U.S. Foreign Aid To Egypt And Elsewhere - Forbes
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    Isn't this awful?
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    I agree with you............stop the money going to Pakistan now....IMO.
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    They have lost their value to the government and it is high time we remind the government who is really in charge and who is really important!
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    Yes and I have been yelling about this for years get out of the U.N. quit giving money to nations that hate us. A wise old indian once said " I will not eat untill my people are fed " . I left the service in the 60s lost some good friends but now in these modern times vets can wait almost a year B4 have there case looked at but no time is wasted sending money to a forien country, side note look at the bang up job cleaning up after Sandy hit the east coast and the people still doing without.

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    The outflow of cash that could have been better served stateside has always been a problem. It took a term paper to make you realize that? And there are those who say education is a waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    The outflow of cash that could have been better served stateside has always been a problem. It took a term paper to make you realize that? And there are those who say education is a waste.
    Yes I will sadly admit that I have not been as up to date or involved as I should have been in my prior years. Better late then never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 031131 View Post
    So for one of my final term papers I'm discussing the issue of homeless veterans (although this can basically be applied to every aspect of American life) and I have discovered (by discovered I mean I had no idea until looking this stuff up) that our government literally gives billions to other countries (almost every country) every year. Yet we have homeless veterans, homeless in general, people that can't afford medical treatments to save their lives, and countless other issues that could disappear if we just kept this money we give away regularly for one year.

    Making Sense Of U.S. Foreign Aid To Egypt And Elsewhere - Forbes
    ForeignAssistance.gov

    Isn't this awful?
    It is.
    It is just about always blamed on our fiscal position, "the government" don't have enough money.
    First we could easily do away with about 80% of our foreign aid which would relieve most of that issue.
    Then we can increase the available training and re-educating ex-military. I know the GI bill helped me a lot back in the early 1970's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dV8r View Post
    It is.
    It is just about always blamed on our fiscal position, "the government" don't have enough money.
    First we could easily do away with about 80% of our foreign aid which would relieve most of that issue.
    Then we can increase the available training and re-educating ex-military. I know the GI bill helped me a lot back in the early 1970's.
    Most folks that have gotten out after 9/11 are leigible for the post 9/11 GI bill. 36 months of BAH pay (set for E5 in the zip code your school is) a stipend for books, free tuition. If you go to some Universities that consider full time 1 class a week for 5 weeks (class is 4 hours long), that is roughly 1250 dollars a month plus 125 for that 5 week period for a Tampa resident. That comes to over 60 dollars an hour for going to school.

    My neighbor here in TX (retired E7 Air Force) complians that is not good enough so he does not partake in it. He says when they pay him BAH for his reitred rank he might look into it. Just can't make some folks happy.

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    What will really piss you off is we give china millions a year to for their EPA best part is we borrow money from them to give back to them plus pay interest.

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    No more money to any country that hates us and wants to kill us. Let em hate us for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby1276 View Post
    What will really piss you off is we give china millions a year to for their EPA best part is we borrow money from them to give back to them plus pay interest.
    Deleted China.
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    The whole point of the article is to *NOT* single out foreign aid if you want to reduce the deficit:

    Total U.S. foreign aid in 2010 was about 1.7% of the U.S. budget. By any measure, the $1.5 requested for Egypt this year–down from $1.8 billion in 2006–is a lot of money. But put it in perspective. As part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program in 2008, Uncle Sam invested $100 billion in Bank of America, Citigroup, JPMorgan Chase and Wells Fargo collectively in order to prop up the financial sector. Earlier this week, Chevron reported earnings of $5.3 billion the last quarter of 2010 alone.

    Does that mean budget hawks shouldn’t scrutinize the $1.5 billion that goes to Egypt, or any foreign assistance for that matter? Of course not. But for those serious about reducing the deficit, foreign aid is hardly the place to start. Instead, try entitlements. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid make up almost half of federal spending each year.


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    There was an old saying that went "Charity begins at home". Too bad Washington doesn't believe that veterans are more entitled than foreign countries. Truth be told many of those foreign countries wouldn't be where they are now without our veterans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 031131 View Post
    So for one of my final term papers I'm discussing the issue of homeless veterans (although this can basically be applied to every aspect of American life) and I have discovered (by discovered I mean I had no idea until looking this stuff up) that our government literally gives billions to other countries (almost every country) every year. Yet we have homeless veterans, homeless in general, people that can't afford medical treatments to save their lives, and countless other issues that could disappear if we just kept this money we give away regularly for one year.

    Making Sense Of U.S. Foreign Aid To Egypt And Elsewhere - Forbes
    ForeignAssistance.gov

    Isn't this awful?
    I'll go out on a limb and say it is not awful. Could the "foreign aid" be administered more efficiently? Yes. But is foreign aid awful in light of the domestic issues facing us? No.

    We must engage other countries to further our national interests. Foreign aid is but one facet of such engagement.

    As the article points out, it's a relative small portion of our budget. We could also cut costs on non-discretionary domestic (and discretionary domestic) spending, but neither party has the politic will to do so. That's what is truly awful.

    The fact that money spent on foreign aid could address many problems our veterans and homeless face strikes and emotional chord. But it's just just that - emotional. And deciding policy on emotion usually leads to less than stellar results.

    I understand the feelings, and I share them, but I cannot advocate a policy change based on such feelings alone.
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