FBI Investigating LA's SWAT Team for Illegal Gun Sales - Side Cash Deals on Weapons

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    FBI Investigating LA's SWAT Team for Illegal Gun Sales - Side Cash Deals on Weapons

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    by John Sexton 25 May 2013, 9:48 AM PDT
    Real Title: FBI Investigating LA's SWAT Team for Illegal Gun Sales

    My Comments: This has already happend in CA with the Sacramento area LEO, however that was more criminal involving truely illegal transfers of firearms, and swept under the rug. Who do you trust these days? This is not a LEO bashing post so much as to say if you want the "civilians' respect, then follow the laws of your state". We will always support law abiding LEO..............................Police your own before you police us, and stand by the Constitution.

    .........The investigation will attempt to determine why the LAPD's SWAT team, which has around 60 members, purchased over 300 specialized handguns from Kimber Manufacturing.

    The LAPD has a longstanding agreement with Kimber which allows the company to brand weapons with LAPD insignia and market them as "identical to" the ones used by LAPD's SWAT team. On the open market these guns are worth as much as $3,500, but the LAPD purchases them under contract for around $600 each.

    The allegation is that members of the SWAT team were collecting money amongst themselves to purchase additional guns at the special LAPD price. While there was no contract allowing them to do, the LA Times reports that there was a "gentleman's agreement" between the officers and the company. These extra weapons were then allegedly resold at a profit to non-SWAT officers within the LAPD and possibly to gun collectors.



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    If the department did it instead of individual officers, they would call it a creative way to fill budgetary short falls.
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    Wait... correct me if I am wrong but....

    LAPD/SWAT have an agreement with Kimber to purchase the guns branded with an LAPD insignia, and they would sell these same guns on the black market? ...and they wonder why they got caught? Well gee golly...

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    These extra weapons were then allegedly resold at a profit to non-SWAT officers within the LAPD and possibly to gun collectors.
    Well glad its not a Police bashing thread. At least you arent saying they cant shoot. Big deal, they bought the guns and then sold them to other officers. All within the Law and within Dept. rules no doubt. What "Black market" are you talking about?

    Maybe we need a Law saying you cant sell a gun for a profit. How does that sound? Nest we'll pass a law that forbids resale. After that one that forbids transfer and within a generation we'll be England.

    Some of these threads are really funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PO54yo View Post
    Well glad its not a Police bashing thread. At least you arent saying they cant shoot. Big deal, they bought the guns and then sold them to other officers. All within the Law and within Dept. rules no doubt. What "Black market" are you talking about?

    Maybe we need a Law saying you cant sell a gun for a profit. How does that sound? Nest we'll pass a law that forbids resale. After that one that forbids transfer and within a generation we'll be England.

    Some of these threads are really funny.
    Buying 1 gun and selling it at a profit to a qualified person is and is legal. Buying 300 and selling them, even to a legal purchaser, requires a FFL. If the person purchasing for resale does not have a FFL, then they are breaking the law.
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    So they screwed their own buy selling their "branded" Kimbers to fellow officers at an inflated price?
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    No big deal has been said about this case.
    The FBI has nothing better to do than bash local LEOs is what you are saying. I have watched FBI agents turn their back on 170K embezzelment cases as insignificant.

    I am thinking there is some thing about this investigation that either hasn't been revealed or won't be revealed. The FBI doesn't take a lot of cases they are going to lose they are funny about that.

    Time will tell how this plays out but my guess this is not a cop selling a gun to a cop.

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    Ok soooo I'm a detective at the hollywood station... And a buddy I went to the academy with is a swat member. I run into him at a scene... were both gun guys... were both members of the LAPD... I say man that sure is a neat pistol you got there... Hey wait... does that say LAPD on it?...oh man I want me one of those!. So my long time buddy says OK I can get you one but they not cheap.... So he orders one for me and I pay for it... Now I got one and the bregging rights to go with it... "Yeah baby I used to be SWAT but I prefer paperwork so now I'm a detective" Seriously? Where's the black market? Is it because I'm Black? I'm the black market right?.... It's because I'm black right? Tell me the truth... It's cause I'm black...


    OK before anyone gets offended, or twisted... I just wanted to opine on how silly this whole business is. Who in their right mind would sell a gun to the wrong person when it has the sellers name on it?....
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    Sensationalism. That's all it is.

    If this had happened in say, Texas or Arkansas, it would have never even been heard of.

    For one, the practice of offering copy's to service weapons to police officers for personal use is as old as guns themselves. Yes, the dealers do it as incentives. I personally know of many cops that have their own models of their service weapon.

    The reason that nothing was done here other than a story was because nothing illegal was done. It sounds to me like some anti-gunners got their panties in a wad and decided to throw a temper tantrum about "guns".

    Lets address the fact that 600 guns were sold. It is common practice to offer the entire dept. a better deal on guns that what citizens can get. They can do that because they are selling in quantity and they can offer a discounted rate. The LAPD is another huge Police Dept. and there are lots of "gun guys" on it. To be truthful, 600 specialized handguns isn't a whole lot for a dept. that size. And if a cop was a gun guy, why wouldn't he want a gun made with the place that he worked for on it?

    That too is a common practice with cops. I have personally had several guns engraved with dept. badges on them as retirement gifts, or awards or even just gifts for cops. They love that stuff. I've had every badge in this county engraved on a gun for various members at one time or another. I have never seen a cop that wasn't tickled pink to have his badge engraved on a gun.

    For the gun part. A dept. doesn't need a gun license. They go through a gun dealer with an FFL. As long as that FFL logs out any gun, then they are in compliance. The Dept. Training Officer or Armorer logs each gun out to the individual officer for accountability purposes. If an officer wants to buy an gun for his personal use, then he goes through the FFL, same as anyone else. Most polices depts. allow this but some of the ones that are run by drooling anti-gun fanatics do not. If an officer has to leave his gun at work when he leaves, its a fair bet that buying guns for personal use would not be allowed.

    I could be wrong since I am going off of what a news article says, but its entirely possible that there was no wrongdoing here.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ItalianSteel View Post
    Wait... correct me if I am wrong but....

    LAPD/SWAT have an agreement with Kimber to purchase the guns branded with an LAPD insignia, and they would sell these same guns on the black market? ...and they wonder why they got caught? Well gee golly...
    Were they actually marked marked "LAPD", or "SIS" which is a little less obvious?
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    So, they became gun dealers without an FFL license ??

    Or at best, doing straw purchases.
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    If I am a Police Officer, and I own a firearm, or purchase a firearm. And I give or sell that firearm to another Police Officer known to me I'm doing nothing illegal. A straw purchase is if I purchase a firearm, and give or sell it to another in order to avoid a backgound check, or filling out the ATF form.

    While in service I was assigned to a patrol squad. We were an extremely close group of men and women. Some were gun guys, some were not. We did a lot of off duty stuff together. Including going to the range, and working with the weaker shooters. In Squad 8... everyone was capable. My partner was very much a gun guy. We'd trade gun's back and fourth all the time... If I had a gun like an airweight model 36, and my buddy Bumper wanted it... I'd sell it to him. If My buddy K had a gun and I wanted it... he'd sell it to me. If my new partner had only one gun... I'd give her one of my hideouts. Cops trade, buy, and sell guns to each other all the time... As one poster eloquently put it... Move along... nothing to see here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Buying 1 gun and selling it at a profit to a qualified person is and is legal. Buying 300 and selling them, even to a legal purchaser, requires a FFL. If the person purchasing for resale does not have a FFL, then they are breaking the law.
    So you think one guy bought 300 and sold them for a profit?

    Of course you dont. Nobodys that dumb. So what were dealing with here, and assuming their SWAT has personal rotations like ours, is like each guy buying an extra gun or two and reselling them to some sucker cop for 2 or 3 times their value just cause there is some writing on them. Or maybe like Suk said, "they just bought them for other coppers". And maybe that sucker selling it to another sucker for even more. It sounds like Capitalism at work to me. And who cares?

    You still havnt said exactly what Law it is they are breaking. So I guess we can put you down with the "against PVT sale anti's"?

    This thread is kinda pathetic even for a Cop bashing thread. Jeez at least try.
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    IMHO unless they were selling them to prohibited persons,or somehow circumventing the CA DOJ gun list and selling banned guns on the list to civilians...exactly what laws did they break?Sounds like the FBI is investigating a non issue
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    What really amazes me is that is happening in Ca. just right under all the proposed laws that could affect us all. I just do not know what to say except how could something like this happen, what is California coming to, oh woe is me

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