Coordinated plans in the event of martial law or mass civil unrest?

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    Coordinated plans in the event of martial law or mass civil unrest?

    I live in a small town in Tennessee. Recently, several of us who are very like minded got together and discussed what we could do as a town in the event of mass civil unrest. In other words, how we could defend the town and keep the dregs of humanity tat would poor out of the large city just down to the interstate out of our town.

    Also, what the plan might be should some event cause martial law to be declared or the DHS decided to put those 2 billion rounds of ammo and 2,700 armored personnel carriers to use for some illegal actions.

    It was an extremely interesting meeting. I think we came up with some good ideas and some very good plans on how to prepare for disaster either natural or man made.

    Anyone else out there doing this kind of thing in their community?
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    Nope. I live in an urban area and I'm pretty sure my neighbors don't even know I own a firearm. Even broaching the subject with people I've known for decades has resulted in suspicion and strained relationships. Although in all fairness two have circled back around and asked for advice on purchasing their first firearm recently - all the cool kids are doing it now you know. I really need to get out of this place...
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    Yes, at least my house in NH. Many of us have formed an informal co-op (for lack of a better term) that we have used to live right now. Everyone contributes. Hunters (about everybody but me LOL) share food, most have farmland and share crops. Milk is from local dairy cows. We pretty much can sustain ourselves during the most traumatic SHTF scenario barring nuclear fallout or such similiar event.
    All have back up generators with fuel. Of course there is a diversity of trades and skills. Nurses, doctor, carpenters, actuall old time woodsmiths, plumbers. etc.... I am actually one of the few with military experience and the only with extensive training for a shtf scenario.

    NH is my bug out place to go...winter or summer.

    BTW: When I got her last week for vacation my neighbors stocked me up with fresh veggies and fruit and dairy. Though not a meat eater, I tend to be more carnivourous when alone (wife is not here yet) so I have some moose sauage and steaks in the freezer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Paranoia runs deep, into your heart it will creep...
    I think the key lyric in this song is

    "step out of line, the man come and take you away"
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    Just remember...in the case of martial law you will be under a state of "National Emergency" and not allowed to carry a firearm..and I know you and your town folks are a law abiding persons...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by dben002 View Post
    Just remember...in the case of martial law you will be under a state of "National Emergency" and not allowed to carry a firearm..and I know you and your town folks are a law abiding persons...........
    If the government is coming to rural NH, or any other rural place in this country of no significance, to enforce martial law, we are in a situation that would exceed even the most paranoid minds definition of what a SHTF scenario is.
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    These sort of conversations sort a amuse and scare me at the same time....

    " how we could defend the town and keep the dregs of humanity tat would poor out of the large city just down to the interstate out of our town."

    ...these dregs of humanity will include doctors, factory workers, store owners, the guy from Walmart all with kids and babies and families in tow. I think we all ould like to think we will whip out our Ar's and save the day like on the movies but I THINK the reality will be so different than anything I see in SHTF posts. Who would shoot a man looking for milk for his baby? Under what rule of law will someone decide their town is not off limits to anyone not from there? Will these people kill to stop them from entering?

    IF the answer to the above is yes, what about when the rule of law returns? I can just see this one.... Lawyer says "So Mr. Prepper, you killed the father of a 4 yo and infant because he came into your town looking for formula?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCXDm9 View Post
    These sort of conversations sort a amuse and scare me at the same time....

    " how we could defend the town and keep the dregs of humanity tat would poor out of the large city just down to the interstate out of our town."

    ...these dregs of humanity will include doctors, factory workers, store owners, the guy from Walmart all with kids and babies and families in tow. I think we all ould like to think we will whip out our Ar's and save the day like on the movies but I THINK the reality will be so different than anything I see in SHTF posts. Who would shoot a man looking for milk for his baby? Under what rule of law will someone decide their town is not off limits to anyone not from there? Will these people kill to stop them from entering?

    IF the answer to the above is yes, what about when the rule of law returns? I can just see this one.... Lawyer says "So Mr. Prepper, you killed the father of a 4 yo and infant because he came into your town looking for formula?"
    Those same people you talk of will might also use acts of violence to take your stuff away also...did you think of that? In thes movies you see it goes both ways.

    On a side note, the reason why I picked NH is (besides the fact I know the area and have lived there) is that I highly doubt most folks will be traveliing north, expecially in the winter. I did a thread on this before....about where is best to survive. And many folks agreed that going north would not be the norm.

    Where is best to live in a SHTF scenario:Rural North or South (POLL)
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    Time for a real life story: Fellow here in Winston Salem NC...very wealthy...not a gun collector per say...has 3 very large 2 door gun safes in his home. 1 is for ammo, 1 is for rifles (multiple AR-15 styles included) and one is for handguns..probably has one of every caliber Glock made, plus so many more I could not guess..Large caliber revolvers included...The reason he has this collection is he believes the Guvment is coming for him and he needs to be ready.

    I would not say he's crazy, but he is different in a lack of reasoning sort of way.

    People like HIM scare people like ME
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    Quote Originally Posted by dben002 View Post
    Time for a real life story: Fellow here in Winston Salem NC...very wealthy...not a gun collector per say...has 3 very large 2 door gun safes in his home. 1 is for ammo, 1 is for rifles (multiple AR-15 styles included) and one is for handguns..probably has one of every caliber Glock made, plus so many more I could not guess..Large caliber revolvers included...The reason he has this collection is he believes the Guvment is coming for him and he needs to be ready.

    I would not say he's crazy, but he is different in a lack of reasoning sort of way.

    People like HIM scare people like ME
    Why would he scare YOU? Because he thinks differently? You said he is not crazy, just different.
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    Of course I did! The question remains, who has the right (if that is the proper word) to bar someone, many someone's from entering a public town, looking for food and water? Will you kill to stop these people from entering a space/ area you have no real right to stop them (murder)? And to your point yes they might use violence to take your stuff. Are you prepared to use violence to proactively stop them?

    I have no answers... just questions that have no easy answers.


    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    Those same people you talk of will might also use acts of violence to take your stuff away also...did you think of that? In thes movies you see it goes both ways.

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    I have a word of caution for TMike. I know from numerous posts that you are a solid good guy. Probably the
    folks you speak with are also solid good and well intentioned people.

    Still, there is a potential huge problem with posting about your discussions. That problem isn't that others will learn of your
    plans ahead of time. The problem revolves about what SCXDM9 posted-- what will happen when law returns if it does.

    Suppose this SHTF scenario were to be relatively local. Maybe TN wide and partly in neighboring states. Eventually
    the law will return and there will be a record of planning --which at the moment you are proud of. Unfortunately, after
    the event, that record could be used to lodge conspiracy to commit murder charges against everyone in your group. If one
    of you goes off and foolishly or mistakenly kills an innocent, that will go on all of you.

    What you are speaking of would only be viable if you could be assured that law and order as we know it will never ever
    return. Worse, if that actually were the situation, I don't believe it would be long before your group starts to turn on each other.

    Our society is brittle, and I don't think very many of us will survive a true doomsday event. And maybe we wouldn't want to.
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    All warfare is based on deception........ Sun Tzu.
    Engage people with what they expect; it is what they are able to discern and confirms their projections. It settles them into predictable patterns of response, occupying their minds while you wait for the extraordinary moment..... that which they cannot anticipate. Sun Tzu.
    Sound familiar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCXDm9 View Post
    These sort of conversations sort a amuse and scare me at the same time....

    " how we could defend the town and keep the dregs of humanity tat would poor out of the large city just down to the interstate out of our town."

    ...these dregs of humanity will include doctors, factory workers, store owners, the guy from Walmart all with kids and babies and families in tow. I think we all ould like to think we will whip out our Ar's and save the day like on the movies but I THINK the reality will be so different than anything I see in SHTF posts. Who would shoot a man looking for milk for his baby? Under what rule of law will someone decide their town is not off limits to anyone not from there? Will these people kill to stop them from entering?

    IF the answer to the above is yes, what about when the rule of law returns? I can just see this one.... Lawyer says "So Mr. Prepper, you killed the father of a 4 yo and infant because he came into your town looking for formula?"
    What court? What lawyer? Didn't you read the SHTF and all that infrastructure is gone those "pillars of Justice" will be long gone - hiding in their own bunkers.
    " Life is tough and it gets tougher if your stupid." John Wayne.

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