FBI Purges References to Islam/Jihad From Training Materials

FBI Purges References to Islam/Jihad From Training Materials

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    FBI Purges References to Islam/Jihad From Training Materials

    From this morning's IBD:

    "In a testy exchange with Republican lawmakers on the House Judiciary Committee, FBI Director Robert Mueller reluctantly acknowledged FBI counterterrorism training materials have been purged of references to “jihad” and “Islam” and that counterterrorism agents have been restricted from doing undercover investigations at mosques."

    "Who put the PC blinders on him? Eric Holder. In October 2011, the attorney general quietly put in force two policies that have made the nation far more vulnerable to homegrown terrorism. For one, he set up a special review committee to curb mosque investigations, classifying the names of the reviewers, who reportedly may include outside parties. Also that month he ordered a review of all FBI counterterrorist training manuals “to identify and correct any material that may be construed as offensive to someone of the Islamic faith,” according to a directive sent to all FBI field offices. Reviewers proceeded to purge references to “jihad” and “Islam” in connection to terrorism. Mueller told Gohmert that the names of the Islamic “subject matter experts” who helped conduct the review remain classified. What this means is that shadowy and unaccountable Islamic sympathizers are now effectively running counterterror programs. Feel safer?" FBI Chief's testimony Confirms Bureau's Gone Soft On Islamic Terror - Investors.com

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    That's odd....these same individuals use these same phrases to describe themselves and their belief system. So who would really be offended? PC to me no longer stands for "political correctness", but instead means "personal cowardice" on the part of those supposedly leading this nation. Maybe they should have picked up a rifle and traded places with a soldier/marine/airman for a tour in those rat-holes they sent them to. I do believe their perception, AND DEFINITION, would have changed.....but they would have actually had to have a back-bone to pull something like that off.
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    They do not need to worry about jihadists they have the law abiding citizens to go after. Keeping the press an the eyes of the nation focused on made up facts an polls with so much bias its laughable they keep taking power away from the people to bolster their own political agenda.
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    ...so now we win a war by denying that we have an enemy? American citizens have paid and will pay a terrible price for such namby-pamby foolishness...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snub44 View Post
    ...so now we win a war by denying that we have an enemy? American citizens have paid and will pay a terrible price for such namby-pamby foolishness...
    I agree with your sentiment but.......................we are not at war with Islam or anybody else. We have a war on "terrorism". This is what happens when the government does not accuratley define what the threat is. It was a bull feces declaration that only muddied the waters in many respects.

    As far as not targeting mosques for surveillance..I agree with that. The only time the government should infiltrating or surveilling anything is if they have a reason to do so. Otherwise they will be infiltrating the Knights of Columbus and the Masons.

    If their is a reason to target a specific mosques, church, or organization then their are legal ways of doing it.
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    ...we are at war with radical elements of Islam who have declared jihad on the USA...who inflict or attempt to inflict terrorism on us...

    ...what Holder is doing is hampering legitimate activity by the FBI and other agencies tasked with protecting us..."they" sure don't have a problem offending those of us who "cling to our guns and our religion"...

    ...if an investigation into criminal activity or terroristic activity leads to the mosque...so be it...don't think the FBI HASN'T infiltrated the KoC or the Masonic lodges...looking for commies, Klansmen...and who knows who else...the FBI with reason has infiltrated whoever they needed to...and run surveillance on more groups than not...that's their job...
    ...we keep pussyfooting around, and the terrorists will see us as low-hanging fruit and we'll have more attacks...if they're not our enemy, then why have we sent our boys and girls over there to be shot up and blown up...you notice those who've made these policies don't look at a GI and say "If I had a son, he could look like him"...our fighting men and women deserve better than this...so do our law enforcement agencies...you didn't hear crap like this in WWII...which we won, by the way...


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    I agree with your sentiment but.......................we are not at war with Islam or anybody else. We have a war on "terrorism". This is what happens when the government does not accuratley define what the threat is. It was a bull feces declaration that only muddied the waters in many respects.

    As far as not targeting mosques for surveillance..I agree with that. The only time the government should infiltrating or surveilling anything is if they have a reason to do so. Otherwise they will be infiltrating the Knights of Columbus and the Masons.

    If their is a reason to target a specific mosques, church, or organization then their are legal ways of doing it.

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    We're going to PC ourselves out of existence unless we start facing reality. We are at war with Radical Islam. Places that radicals are known to hide out in must be given extra scrutiny.

    Mosques in Northern Virginia are known places where radicals get together. Multiply this place by thousands around the country and we have a problem. I used to live 10 minutes from this one...the one that Anwar-al-Awlaki preached at.

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    It's naive to think he's an isolated case. Please save the "not every Muslim is a radical or terrorist" speech. I know that. However, in the past 2 decades all terrorists have belonged to this group. If we can't say that or admit that....there's no hope of fighting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snub44 View Post
    ...we are at war with radical elements of Islam who have declared jihad on the USA...who inflict or attempt to inflict terrorism on us...

    ...what Holder is doing is hampering legitimate activity by the FBI and other agencies tasked with protecting us..."they" sure don't have a problem offending those of us who "cling to our guns and our religion"...

    ...if an investigation into criminal activity or terroristic activity leads to the mosque...so be it...don't think the FBI HASN'T infiltrated the KoC or the Masonic lodges...looking for commies, Klansmen...and who knows who else...the FBI with reason has infiltrated whoever they needed to...and run surveillance on more groups than not...that's their job...
    ...we keep pussyfooting around, and the terrorists will see us as low-hanging fruit and we'll have more attacks...if they're not our enemy, then why have we sent our boys and girls over there to be shot up and blown up...you notice those who've made these policies don't look at a GI and say "If I had a son, he could look like him"...our fighting men and women deserve better than this...so do our law enforcement agencies...you didn't hear crap like this in WWII...which we won, by the way...


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    1st part in bold: Show me a declaration of war on radical islam and I will virtually mail you ten bucks. That was my point. we do ***** foot around. We do not have a declartion of war against "anyone"

    2nd part in bold: I do not disagree with that. I said if there is "reason" to surveille a mosque or anything else then that is fine. If an investigation leads you there, then I assume that is enough cause. As far as the FBI's job to infiltrate organizations....well, that should be because they do have a legal reason to do so. Not a fishing expedition. And I am not naive to think that they have not done so.

    3rd part in bold: Why do we keep sending our boys and girls to get blown up? Afghanistan we should have been out of their in 6 months. We never should have gone into Iraq. But that is for another discussion....
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    ...keep your ten bucks, and spend it on ammo...

    ...keep also your nit-picking word game arguments...or go tell those who've died in this war on radical Islamic terrorists about it...I'm not going to argue about it with you...the facts fly over graves all over this country...and here's the beginning:
    President Bush's Speech to Congress Declaring War on terror - Full Text of George W. Bush's Speech to Congress Declaring War on Terror

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snub44 View Post
    ...keep your ten bucks, and spend it on ammo...

    ...keep also your nit-picking word game arguments...or go tell those who've died in this war on radical Islamic terrorists about it...I'm not going to argue about it with you...the facts fly over graves all over this country...and here's the beginning:
    President Bush's Speech to Congress Declaring War on terror - Full Text of George W. Bush's Speech to Congress Declaring War on Terror
    What is your problem today? i GIVE AN OPINION AND YOU GOT AN ATTITUDE... READ THIS THEN SO YOU CAN NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME: DO NOT EVER, EVER,EVER, EVER LECTURE ME ON WHO HAS DIED, NOT EVER AGAIN. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS A YES OR NO ANSWER. IF YOU EVER EVER EVER WANT TO HIT A FRIGGIN NERVE AGAIN YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD.
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    ...I've got a better idea...you and I are done discussing anything...that solves the problem well...
    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    What is your problem today? i GIVE AN OPINION AND YOU GOT AN ATTITUDE... READ THIS THEN SO YOU CAN NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME: DO NOT EVER, EVER,EVER, EVER LECTURE ME ON WHO HAS DIED, NOT EVER AGAIN. DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS A YES OR NO ANSWER. IF YOU EVER EVER EVER WANT TO HIT A FRIGGIN NERVE AGAIN YOU GO RIGHT AHEAD.

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    The reality is that terrorism is not really a threat to us and the sooner the American public learns it, the better off we will be. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightning TWICE in your life than dying in a terrorist attack. People have this strange need to focus on things that are not really threats but ignore those of threats that really exist. You have people that won't get on a plane but have no worries getting in a car when you are orders of magnitude more likely to die in a car. People worry about Fish oil giving them prostate cancer but are over-weight and that is the more likely cause of their death.

    We have spent trillions to "fight terrorism" and what has it got us? More debt, that is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    The reality is that terrorism is not really a threat to us and the sooner the American public learns it, the better off we will be. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightning TWICE in your life than dying in a terrorist attack. People have this strange need to focus on things that are not really threats but ignore those of threats that really exist. You have people that won't get on a plane but have no worries getting in a car when you are orders of magnitude more likely to die in a car. People worry about Fish oil giving them prostate cancer but are over-weight and that is the more likely cause of their death.

    We have spent trillions to "fight terrorism" and what has it got us? More debt, that is it.
    The folks that were in the WTC would probably not share your sentiment...


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    Quote Originally Posted by OutWestSystems View Post
    The reality is that terrorism is not really a threat to us and the sooner the American public learns it, the better off we will be. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightning TWICE in your life than dying in a terrorist attack. People have this strange need to focus on things that are not really threats but ignore those of threats that really exist. You have people that won't get on a plane but have no worries getting in a car when you are orders of magnitude more likely to die in a car. People worry about Fish oil giving them prostate cancer but are over-weight and that is the more likely cause of their death.

    We have spent trillions to "fight terrorism" and what has it got us? More debt, that is it.
    That was the dumbest thing I have read in years. Seriously, what the heck are you thinking?

    Islamic jihadists have killed THOUSANDS of Americans over the last 10 or 15 years and if we weren't taking the fight to them they would have killed THOUSANDS more. Islamic jihadists now have access to surface to air missiles obtained from Lybia and they have been working for years to get their hands on a nuke. "Not really a threat"<----that's almost funny if it wasn't so ignorant.
    It is surely true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. Nor can you make them grateful for your efforts.

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