If You Aren't Paranoid, You Aren't Paying Attention

If You Aren't Paranoid, You Aren't Paying Attention

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    If You Aren't Paranoid, You Aren't Paying Attention

    Of course, no one would ever monitor a site like this one/

    Google Pressure Cookers and Backpacks, Get a Visit from the Feds
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    I guess their intent was good, but how much can you check?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    Of course, no one would ever monitor a site like this one/

    Google Pressure Cookers and Backpacks, Get a Visit from the Feds
    Okay, I'm paranoid...

    But... the article is horrible. Picture is from the Boston bombing, and has nothing to do with the person who was queried by the alleged "joint terrorism task force." The person who wrote the description of the query is a professional writer... But, the part about the "joint terrorism task force" is not a direct quote from the writer. Though in her original blog she does mention the task force, we don't know if the alleged visitors were indeed from any "agency."

    I'm sure there are astounding blogs about zombie attacks as well... maybe even some newsy videos about how the forces are training with faux zombie attacks in order to condition the police and task forces to shoot at civilians.

    The article and the blog upon which it was based... seem a bit too based in fiction for me... And perhaps that's why we'll never see it in the mainstream media... .nothing to see here folks... or maybe not.

    here's the blog upon which the story is based: Link

    Sorry Mike, I just can't quite get into this one.
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    Great. Now I want to google pressure cookers and backpacks to see if it'll happen to me, too.
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    Gentle readers, you may find this article from the Guardian in the UK interesting as it relates to this very question and is a write up in response to some new material released by Mr. Snowden. Apparently, a database is kept and searched of near everyone's internet traffic, including email, search queries and pages visited.

    Edit: I posted before reading the entire article. The link I provided is referenced in the OP's link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pittypat21 View Post
    Great. Now I want to google pressure cookers and backpacks to see if it'll happen to me, too.
    Well you go right on ahead and then tell us how that worked out for you. I've got a backpack I bought 30+years ago. As for the other item, I don't need one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NONAME762 View Post
    Well you go right on ahead and then tell us how that worked out for you.
    It would make an EXCEPTIONALLY interesting experiment to do so through TOR. If they were to visit you after doing so, it would absolutely blow away any question about whether or not it is able to anonymize your tracks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    It would make an EXCEPTIONALLY interesting experiment to do so through TOR. If they were to visit you after doing so, it would absolutely blow away any question about whether or not it is able to anonymize your tracks.
    Good point. Downloading TOR....NOW...

    Not really. But still.

    Though my mom's recipe for meatballs does require a pressure cooker...

    And I sure could use a backpack to carry it in.
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    Consensual searches? Well, there you go. Sorry guys, come back later with a warrant based on probable cause. Maybe the roast beef will be done by then.

    Sheesh.
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    Well let's see. I did an online search last spring and bought a pressure cooker from Amazon. One of the heavy duty aluminum American made ones. Cost a bit over $180. I intended to put in a much bigger garden this year and plan on learning how to can. I also bought a Maxpedition backpack this spring. It cost over a hundred bucks too. I never got a visit from the "anti terrorism" squad -- they must have just figured I wasn't a terrorist because of how much I spent on the items. After all, they probably assume that a terrorist would buy a cheaper pressure cooker and a cheaper backpack since they were just going to blow them up! Or maybe it was because I also ordered nearly $50 worth of heirloom vegetable seeds online and they figured that was why I bought the pressure cooker.

    Seriously, that story leaves me just a little bit skeptical. The government really doesn't have the resources to be sending out 6 man teams to check out every person that "googles" something on the internet! At least I sure hope they aren't wasting our tax dollars like that!
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    It seems our "information age" has turned into a monster of a sort. IMO NSA is the least of it. I never did understand
    what possible rationale private companies have for retaining text messages, e-mail which has been deleted, or even phone records beyond whatever time they might need to keep them for billing and tax information purposes.

    It costs bucks to keep this stuff, and now that several of the biggies are trying to get us to use cloud storage in a massive way, it is a sure bet we are gradually turning absolutely everything over to whoever.

    Our entire net needs a reboot, a rebuild from the ground up to protect privacy and security.

    When our largest corporations, the government, and the military in particular can't keep the hackers out, and can't keep secrets, 'Houston, we have a problem.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Consensual searches? Well, there you go. Sorry guys, come back later with a warrant based on probable cause. Maybe the roast beef will be done by then.

    Sheesh.
    I would've absolutely not let them into my home without a warrant.
    "Hey you searched for pressure cookers, and we were watching. Can we come in?"
    "Do you have a warrant?"
    "No."
    "Then hell no you can't come in."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    It seems our "information age" has turned into a monster of a sort. IMO NSA is the least of it. I never did understand
    what possible rationale private companies have for retaining text messages, e-mail which has been deleted, or even phone records beyond whatever time they might need to keep them for billing and tax information purposes.

    It costs bucks to keep this stuff, and now that several of the biggies are trying to get us to use cloud storage in a massive way, it is a sure bet we are gradually turning absolutely everything over to whoever.

    Our entire net needs a reboot, a rebuild from the ground up to protect privacy and security.

    When our largest corporations, the government, and the military in particular can't keep the hackers out, and can't keep secrets, 'Houston, we have a problem.'
    In the end, its up to us as individuals to be careful of what we put on the net.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    It seems our "information age" has turned into a monster of a sort. IMO NSA is the least of it. I never did understand
    what possible rationale private companies have for retaining text messages, e-mail which has been deleted, or even phone records beyond whatever time they might need to keep them for billing and tax information purposes.

    It costs bucks to keep this stuff, and now that several of the biggies are trying to get us to use cloud storage in a massive way, it is a sure bet we are gradually turning absolutely everything over to whoever.

    Our entire net needs a reboot, a rebuild from the ground up to protect privacy and security.

    When our largest corporations, the government, and the military in particular can't keep the hackers out, and can't keep secrets, 'Houston, we have a problem.'
    Private Corporations do it to cover their ass...ets... In case they are sued by a past employee, a customer, and the like... If they don't have records of the transactions, proving their innocence... it looks bad for them... OTOH, if they have the records, and those records show culpability (just as in NSA not being able to search their own emails) then the items become very difficult to locate.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    It would make an EXCEPTIONALLY interesting experiment to do so through TOR. If they were to visit you after doing so, it would absolutely blow away any question about whether or not it is able to anonymize your tracks.
    Tor is actually pretty easy to track through, or so I have been told.
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