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A federal judge rules it unconstitutional:
N.Y. police's 'stop-and-frisk' tactics violate rights, judge rules
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I did random searches of prison inmates. I expect the rest of society to have more freedom.
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This is the best thing I've read in a long time. The official policy was flawed in so many ways it's difficult to keep track of them. The one scary thing is that Raymond Kelly is being considered to replace janet Napolitano as head of HSA. Obviously Kelly has very little regard for individual rights, and dont mind seperating certain segments of society for particularly invasive treatment if it suits his purpose. I cant see submitting the entire country to the tactics of late of the NYPD.
It seem to me that Mr Kelly is a throwback to what some of us consider the bad old days. When the NYPD ran roughshod over some communities with brutality, and ignorance of every Americans constitutionally protected rights. When justice was arresting anyone who fit the descritpion. Believe that "oh well he's gotten away with something he'll pay for it now. My opinion is the current administration took NYC back to the 50's as far as policing methods. When I was a newly minted officer I saw some guys do this stuff... It was wrong then, and it's wrong now.
I agree and it annoyed the living you know what out of me. I wanted to live closer to campus, so I moved to a new neighborhood. It wasn't a great neighborhood, but it wasn't bad either. Everything was in walking distance (grocery store, restaurants, bars, Home Depot, etc.), so I walked instead of driving when I wasn't doing a lot of shopping. My second day there, a cop stopped me and asked who I was and where I was from. I told him my name and said I had moved to be closer to school. All was well, so I thought."No one should live in fear of being stopped whenever he leaves his home to go about the activities of daily life," Scheindlin wrote in her opinion.
For the next week or so, I was stopped and searched every time I was seen. It took me having a conversation with the chief for this to stop. I of course had nothing to hide or to be worried about, but it just down right annoying and a damn inconvience to say the least.
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Judge Scheindlin is a piece of work. She has issued rulings in the ediscovery arena that are affecting everyone in my business, not just those in NY. That said, I have to give her kudos for this one. She has never been afraid to speak her mind.
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The ruling was 196pgs long. Haven't read the whole thing, but apparently she's only declaring the procedure unconstitutional as currently being implemented, stating that only its method is unconstitutional and not that the procedure itself is.Originally Posted by From ABC News article
Hm. So, not a complete strike-down, though struck down as it currently stands.
Looks like NY needs some light shed on why it isn't right to claim that you're fighting criminals by violating the rights of everyone. I think a class action lawsuit of hundreds of thousands ought to do it since money seems to be the only thing that some will understand. Morals and the meaning of our Constitution seems to have evaded some policymakers. At least hit them where it hurts the most. Everyone involved in that enactment should be held accountable. Do you know what would happen to you or I if we were to violate the rights of hundreds of thousands of people?"After more than 5 million stops conducted under the current administration, hundreds of thousands of them illegal and discriminatory, the NYPD has finally been held accountable.
It's outrageous how something so blatantly wrong can be passed and practiced for enough time to violate hundreds of thousands. And to think that some are actually OK with it just blows my mind.
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There is a game warden and a police officer on my block.Both are good people as far as i'm concerned.Most LEO'S are i think.That said,sooner or later,there would be some cop that would abuse someone, if the judge hadn't stopped it.They shouldn't be able to stop someone who is doing nothing more than minding their own business.
And to think it only took the judge 12 years to come to this conclusion.
It's very convenient that this comes to light in the LAST year of Bloomberg's dictatorship.
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The means justifies the end.. I like that they have seen a drop in violence since this unconstitutional act was implemented.. So everyone should be searched every day and we would see almost no crime.. I can't argue with that, but its not a country I would want to live in!! I really hope to see a massive law suit filled, as I find this behavior unacceptable in this country.. People & criminals have rights..