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    Dashboard Camera Video Reveals Shouting Match Between New Jersey Police Officer, State Trooper (Video)

    I am not a police officer , but i am curious on how this dispute could be handled ( better ) from one party or both parties . And what any civilians could learn from this.
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    I understand the statey's concern but it seems to me anything after he verified the officers were legit was just a ******* match.
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    Simple solution: professionalism.
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    ...anytime a uniformed officer asks a person claiming to be a cop...ESPECIALLY ARMED... for police ID...he gets it...no fatmouth...when I was a cop, refusal to show ID immediately upon LEO request was a pink slip...we're supposed to be working together...kudos on the trooper...the p/c man was a JERK!!! whatever discipline he got, he earned..."sure thing, officer...here it is"...would have precluded ALL of this...I didn't see even a badge on the p/c cop's belt...the vests are a dime a dozen...

    ...what can we as civilians learn? we may not understand the reason behind an LEOs request...stay civil and calm...this has a calming effect on the officer...loud face music just makes it escalate...for 6 mo on the force, the statie stood his ground real well...because he knew he was in the right...

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    As a retired Trooper, I have come across this situation. LEOs somehow expect others to magically know who is LE.
    All LEOs know the drill, they expect the same compliance from other citizens.

    Had I been pulled over while in plainclothes as a trooper working narc or something, and 'caused' any LEO to draw on me, I'd have been 'immediately suspended pending investigation, before my permanent termination'. Period.

    As for what can be learned from this?
    Always comply with the LEO at the time of the incident, you may not know all the facts. If you have a 'complaint', file it with the LEO's dept, AFTERWARDS.
    Citizen complaints are NOT taken lightly and LEOs know they are often career-enders.

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    They do the best they can, but it seems the more video capablity society has the more we see the wrong side of police behavior.

    I have never had or witnessed an unprofessional action by any police officer but its the only way a police officer makes the news these days.

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    ...glad this statie had audio/video...it would have been three against one...it was a witness for him...

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    I appreciate how the OP presented the video.

    Professionalism is the answer. I don't know when it became ok for officers to use worse language than I did on liberty in the Phillapines. No other profession would allow this behavior. I am not a LEO so no I don't know your position. I have worked in other areas that require badges and clearances to be in certain areas and none of the people I encountered found it necessary to question my parentage they simply either had their badge or they didn't. They also understood the drill and being escorted to a holding area was the immediate answer along with turning on revolving yellow lights causing all material on screens to revert to cover page and no discussion of projects was allowed. I guess we could call each others Mother this that and another but again we consider ourselves professionals.

    You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear could possibly be the answer you can't make a professional they are all self made.

    Note before I hear the cry it wasn't life or dealth let me assure you it was. First Use of deadly force beyond the door was authorized. Second the material could kill you all by itself.
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    Isnt that the way they all talk to each other in Jersey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by warbirds View Post
    They do the best they can, but it seems the more video capablity society has the more we see the wrong side of police behavior.

    I have never had or witnessed an unprofessional action by any police officer but its the only way a police officer makes the news these days.
    I have friends that are Leo's and have a great deal of respect for them and the work they do . For the most it is Thankless profession . I think at times all of us have let our alligator mouths overload our rabbit arse . But in this case and in most it is best to de-escalate the situation.
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    Professionalism works both ways: The dashcam footage does NOT show the Trooper calling in the plate of the mini-van--a simple radio call or two might have cleared things up even before the Trooper got out of the Unit; IF the Trooper was actually convinced that he was dealing with ARMED police impersonators--why did he not call for back-up? IF he was actually convinced that he was dealing with POTENTIAL (Armed) police Impersonators, then his Officer Safety skills were sadly lacking--he turned his back on one of the UC/PC cops.

    So, was he actually convinced that he might have a case of police impersonation?? Or was this a case of him having to establish "Whose turf it was"? I'm not sure--but I think that the professionalism of ALL parties involved was sadly lacking.

    I have not seen that kind of competitiveness out here. There seems to be a truly good working relationship between all the agencies I have seen. There is a mutual feeling of we all have each other's backs!!
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    Unprofessional to say the least. The plain clothes officer had he worked in my department would have been fired immediately without question.
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    This is sad. The pc officer should have identified himself immediately and complied out of professional courtesy and if he felt his toes being stepped on, her should have filed a complaint. This was a urination contest.

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    So, pulling a gun on a cop because he hasn't shown you his ID yet- even before you've asked for it is OK? Once the plain clothes officer was identified why did the trooper remain on scene? Why did the trooper scream "eyes front" at a person in the vehicle?

    Sorry, but the trooper is a jackwagon that needs to be put in his place. Yes, the officer should have identified himself and shown his ID when asked, but that does not excuse the trooper's behavior. In my mind his actions were far worse than that of the officer.
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    ...facing a man who claims to be a cop but has no badge or ID in evidence...who is armed and non-compliant...the statie was not out of order at all...especially with the info on a 3-man robbery team that was impersonating officers...the p/c officer's reactions were totally unprofessional and those who reviewed the situation's details agreed...I think they decided fairly...
    Quote Originally Posted by Echo_Four View Post
    So, pulling a gun on a cop because he hasn't shown you his ID yet- even before you've asked for it is OK? Once the plain clothes officer was identified why did the trooper remain on scene? Why did the trooper scream "eyes front" at a person in the vehicle?

    Sorry, but the trooper is a jackwagon that needs to be put in his place. Yes, the officer should have identified himself and shown his ID when asked, but that does not excuse the trooper's behavior. In my mind his actions were far worse than that of the officer.
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