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    Crime in the United States

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    Murder up 2.8% in FL. Personally, I think that's a low figure. I see little indication that crime is down around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dV8r View Post
    "Statistics are no substitute for judgement." Henry Clay
    "There is a misconception among social scientists that statistical analysis is somehow a technical, essentially objective, process of decision‐making, whereas other forms of data analysis are judgement‐based, subjective and far from technical. This paper focuses on the former part of the misconception, showing, rather, that statistical analysis relies on judgement of the most personal and non‐technical kind. Therefore, the key to reporting such analyses, and persuading others of ones’ findings, is the clarification and discussion of those judgements and their (attempted) justifications. In this way, statistical analysis is no different from the analysis of other forms of data, especially those forms often referred to as ‘qualitative’. By creating an artificial schism based on the kinds of data we use, the misconception leads to neglect of the similar logic underlying all approaches to research, encourages mono‐method research identities, and so inhibits the use of mixed methods." Stephen Gorard (Towards a judgement-based statistical analysis).
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    DC is the official Murder Capital of the Mainland USA, although the murder rate dropped by 20% from 2011 to 2012.

    I infer from the statistic that either:
    1) DC is doing something right to curb the violence; or
    2) DC is running out of victims.

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    Why do they call a rape a Forcible rape? If it were a willing rape then it wouldn't be a rape, right?!

    Weird...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PEF View Post
    Once you step off shore, you have to ask what the hell is up with Puerto Rico.
    Puerto Rico got the most restrictive and strictest firearm laws.
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    I didn't read the article, for that I apologize...but, although the crime rate is out of hand, don't they realize that it'll never go away. There has been crime, whether it be murder, robbery, rape, child molestation, etc, etc, as far back as the Biblical days, and beyond that. The biggest crime that can take place will be the government taking away our right to defend ourselves, and trying to control every aspect of our lives.
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    Not weird at all, drunk or drugged victims might not be forcibly raped
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    Why do they call a rape a Forcible rape? If it were a willing rape then it wouldn't be a rape, right?!

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    The most telling social statistic that has to be taken into account in any discussion that revolves around crimes as heinous as taking another human life is the general lack of hope and general feeling of malaise that has surrounded this country for about four years now. There was an initial blast of hope when he was elected, that has faded and the void has been filled with an even greater sense of helplessness, hopelessness, and despair. This is a pervasive wind that will over time affect more and more people with the same depression that has affected most if not all of the shooters of our recent spate of events.

    The above posters are correct: you must look at and understand the data and the statistics that data provides, but then you must discuss the data in perspective. That perspective is not a pretty sight. More and more people have given up on looking for a job, more and more people are hearing their employers say they can't afford to keep them on in a full-time job so their job is going to be changed to part-time, and that just means another family will start to scramble to make ends meet, and another head of household will begin to slide off into an abyss of despondency.

    People get fed up, start to fight their way out of a corner that they can't even define and at that point all bets are off -- so many of the people killing others are people that have gotten pushed down too long and are simply fighting back against something they can't see or understand. They're just fighting back, and whoever gets in the way of the fight is the next target. Doesn't matter to the downfallen who it is they strike out against, because as far as they're concerned they were randomly picked on themselves.
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    ...to rule out statuatory rape...which would really jack the stats high...

    ...here's an explanation...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/07/us...efinition.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/us...idly.html?_r=0
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    Why do they call a rape a Forcible rape? If it were a willing rape then it wouldn't be a rape, right?!

    Weird...
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    Figures lie and liars figure.
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    And the only thing that is real is what you see while peeping fearfully through your closed window blinds
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmacque View Post
    The most telling social statistic that has to be taken into account in any discussion that revolves around crimes as heinous as taking another human life is the general lack of hope and general feeling of malaise that has surrounded this country for about four years now. There was an initial blast of hope when he was elected, that has faded and the void has been filled with an even greater sense of helplessness, hopelessness, and despair. This is a pervasive wind that will over time affect more and more people with the same depression that has affected most if not all of the shooters of our recent spate of events.

    The above posters are correct: you must look at and understand the data and the statistics that data provides, but then you must discuss the data in perspective. That perspective is not a pretty sight. More and more people have given up on looking for a job, more and more people are hearing their employers say they can't afford to keep them on in a full-time job so their job is going to be changed to part-time, and that just means another family will start to scramble to make ends meet, and another head of household will begin to slide off into an abyss of despondency.

    People get fed up, start to fight their way out of a corner that they can't even define and at that point all bets are off -- so many of the people killing others are people that have gotten pushed down too long and are simply fighting back against something they can't see or understand. They're just fighting back, and whoever gets in the way of the fight is the next target. Doesn't matter to the downfallen who it is they strike out against, because as far as they're concerned they were randomly picked on themselves.
    Your analysis is spot on IMHO. This should be required reading by members of Congress who are so quick to put the blame on inanimate objects like guns.

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