Fair is Fair. If we can't Carry there, Off Duty Police Can't Carry either! I agree.

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    Fair is Fair. If we can't Carry there, Off Duty Police Can't Carry either! I agree.

    Real Title: Off-duty officers banned from carrying guns into NFL games
    Posted: Oct 03, 2013 3:57 PM PDT
    Updated: Oct 04, 2013 5:13 AM PDT


    ........Officers often carry their guns 24-7, even when they're off the job in case they come across a crisis or a threat.

    But we've obtained an internal memo from the league (My Comments - the NFL League). It limits permission to carry guns to law enforcement officers specifically assigned to work security at the games, or private security officers contracted for stadium protection.

    The police union is disappointed. (My Comments: "Oh so sad, too bad!" The LEO may not be a 'Special Class' under our Constitution, only under specifically and officialy assigned duty or .............. you sort it out)


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    i agree, no special privileges for goverment. we carry guns for the same reason police do, for defense against a deadly threat.
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    I'm conflicted over this one. I understand the rationale about keeping privileges on a par between sworn LE and duly authorized non-LE, but nearly every jurisdiction in which I've lived has required off-duty cops to be armed. Arrest powers for trained and sworn LE don't go away when the cop ends his or her shift, and frankly I'd rather have off-duty cops armed no matter where I go, even if I'm denied that privilege.
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    I'm also in different on it as where I'd rather have at least have someone on site to stop a deadly threat instead of no one to stop it. But on that same page I'll treat it the same way as every other area that doesn't allow me to carry "if they don't need to accept my right to defend myself ...then I don't need to be there " because I sure as heck won't leave my family's life nor my own in the hands of someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    I'm conflicted over this one. I understand the rationale about keeping privileges on a par between sworn LE and duly authorized non-LE, but nearly every jurisdiction in which I've lived has required off-duty cops to be armed. Arrest powers for trained and sworn LE don't go away when the cop ends his or her shift, and frankly I'd rather have off-duty cops armed no matter where I go, even if I'm denied that privilege.
    I'm in this camp. Until recently, I wasn't aware of the expectations/requirements of off-duty LEO's (never truly being off-duty). Beforehand, I was a firm believer in "if we can't, they can't" but now that I'm "in the know" I'm a bit torn on the issue.

    ETA: Speaking in general, not just about NFL game carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR.Hussman View Post
    I'm also in different on it as where I'd rather have at least have someone on site to stop a deadly threat instead of no one to stop it. But on that same page I'll treat it the same way as every other area that doesn't allow me to carry "if they don't need to accept my right to defend myself ...then I don't need to be there " because I sure as heck won't leave my family's life nor my own in the hands of someone else.
    according to the article there will still be armed guards there. both on duty police and armed security. i don't support any sort of pro sports any way so it really does not effect me personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzburgh View Post
    I'm in this camp. Until recently, I wasn't aware of the expectations/requirements of off-duty LEO's (never truly being off-duty). Beforehand, I was a firm believer in "if we can't, they can't" but now that I'm "in the know" I'm a bit torn on the issue.
    i would be more inclined to support it if LEOs are required to intervene. but since they are not obligated to protect as ruled by the supreme court i see no justification for the privilege.
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    I'd like to be able to carry at the game just so I'd be armed for the walk back to my car. The last game I attended was in Charlotte and the walk back to the car around midnight was a bit sketchy with a bunch of drunk fools going crazy in the streets.
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    There wasn't a "like" button for your post, technomonster, but I agree. If that were a stipulation, I too would be more inclined to be in support of it.
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    I agree that if the permitted citizen is disarmed, off duty police or anyone else who is not acting as official security should also be disarmed. Sorry folks, but choosing LEO as a profession or taking a swearing oath does not make you any less likely to become a problem that necessitates the disarmament of the public for safety.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    I'm conflicted over this one. I understand the rationale about keeping privileges on a par between sworn LE and duly authorized non-LE, but nearly every jurisdiction in which I've lived has required off-duty cops to be armed. Arrest powers for trained and sworn LE don't go away when the cop ends his or her shift, and frankly I'd rather have off-duty cops armed no matter where I go, even if I'm denied that privilege.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    I'm conflicted over this one. I understand the rationale about keeping privileges on a par between sworn LE and duly authorized non-LE, but nearly every jurisdiction in which I've lived has required off-duty cops to be armed. Arrest powers for trained and sworn LE don't go away when the cop ends his or her shift, and frankly I'd rather have off-duty cops armed no matter where I go, even if I'm denied that privilege.
    Yeah, Im conflicted over this issue, too. HOWEVER, what puts me on the side of "We all abide by the same rules", is looking at what has happened to those in Congress. They have their own retirement system. They opted out of Social Security. They have their own Health Insurance, and its gold plated. They exempt themselves from the laws they pass.

    And our Country is the poorer for it all.
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    Not a fan of anything that restricts law abiding citizens from carrying. This puts our ability to carry there one step further out of our reach. As a result, I can not support this decision in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    but nearly every jurisdiction in which I've lived has required off-duty cops to be armed.
    Same comment. So if you are Law Enforcement it appears you have a choice according to the NFL... Come to the stadium and watch our game, but risk getting fired. Or stay home and watch it on TV.

    Kind of the opposite of the old "my company doesn't allow guns in the office", that has so many threads running here.
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    You will get no disagreement from me on that. Why do we create special classes of citizens. LEO are in the real world no different than any other citizen.
    They have a High rate or member's that commit crimes. News reports in city of Milwaukee full of LEO in bars shootings while drunk.
    If a citizen who is not other wise prohibited from carrying due to his own crimes then LEO should not be treated any different.
    Why should one class be allowed to defend themselves and family while another is not. Same with so called private security or hiring off duty police as armed protection. Happens all the time for the rich and powerful.
    Maybe if LEO had to live by the same rules as everyone else we could regain the respect we once had for LEO.
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