Dallas LEO MUST Wait 72 Hrs Before Talking After Shooting

Dallas LEO MUST Wait 72 Hrs Before Talking After Shooting

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    Dallas LEO MUST Wait 72 Hrs Before Talking After Shooting

    Any Dallas officer involved in a police shooting — whether the officer fired a weapon or witnessed the gunfire — will now have the right to remain silent for 72 hours under a new department policy.

    And even before they give a statement about the shooting, the officers can watch any available video before they give a statement.
    Chief David Brown quietly made major policy change less than a month after surveillance video went public in October that showed an officer shooting a mentally ill man for no apparent reason — contrary to a witnessing officer’s account that led to a felony charge against the victim.
    Dallas Police Chief David Brown quietly changes shooting investigations policy | Dallas Morning News

    I'm really not sure how I feel about this. I find it odd that they're allowed to see any available video (evidence) before they give their statement. I also see this adding more fuel to the fire in a case that may already have citizens screaming cover up and whatnot. It essentially gives those who may be in the wrong the time and access to evidence that would clearly prove that and allow the opportunity to try and come up with an alternative story to try and save their hide.

    I'd like to hear how you guys and gals, especially the LEO's, feel about this. Also, let's keep in mind that there's a difference between pointing out and/or citing a specific case where there was wrong doing and bashing LEO's. One's allowed and the others disrespectful and against the rules.
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    I'm good with it. Adrenaline dumps distort the senses, emotions and memories significantly. Their effects can take days to diminish.
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    What Mike said!!!! Read Dave Grossman's book On Combat for a more definitive look at the physical and mental aspects of deadly force encounters.
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    Oops, I forgot to include my "on the other hand" part in the OP. What you two mentioned is the plus side that I do agree with.
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    I'm familiar with the effects and mental and physical toll it can take on somebody. Commentators were saying this seems a lot like special treatment as the same "luxuries" wouldn't be afforded to Joe or Jane Citizen if they were involved in an SD shoot. A judge on the panel also speculated that this policy wouldn't stand for long before a judge stepped in to challenge it. How likely do those of you more in the know than I think that is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzburgh View Post
    I'm familiar with the effects and mental and physical toll it can take on somebody. Commentators were saying this seems a lot like special treatment as the same "luxuries" wouldn't be afforded to Joe or Jane Citizen if they were involved in an SD shoot.
    It will be a luxury afforded to Mike if I am ever involved in a lethal force confrontation, even if it means spending my forty-eight hours in lock-up.
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    What about being able to review the video footage before speaking though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    It will be a luxury afforded to Mike if I am ever involved in a lethal force confrontation, even if it means spending my forty-eight hours in lock-up.
    I'd be afforded the same luxury as well since it's my right to remain silent until I speak with my attorney. But I doubt you or I would be shown any video footage beforehand.
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    I don't see where this is a huge problem. After all, with all the You Tube and Facebook videos online nowadays, it is likely the general public will have access to the related videos almost immediately. I see no reason why an officer shouldn't have the same right to view related videos before making a binding statement.

    As Mike1956 says, adrenaline dumps can color every viewpoint. While I realize any police statement is discoverable, I would, however like to know an officer has given an initial statement, just so the effects of adrenaline dumps can be studied more closely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzburgh View Post
    I'd be afforded the same luxury as well since it's my right to remain silent until I speak with my attorney. But I doubt you or I would be shown any video footage beforehand.
    It can't hurt to ask.
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    As long as the same things are offered to the general public, I have no problem with it. Which means that as the officers arriving first on the scene let the citizen know they are not expected to give a statement until all the available video tapes that may be available have been viewed by the shooter.
    1911 when a follow up shot just isn't an option

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    I'm good with it. Adrenaline dumps distort the senses, emotions and memories significantly. Their effects can take days to diminish.
    ^ Exactly. While some can nail down impressions right away, it can also distort. Far better to let the "chemical dump" and memory impacts subside, before trying to make sense of things. I'm all for seeing videos of an event, to help anchor things in reality (timeline, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ntkb View Post
    As long as the same things are offered to the general public, I have no problem with it. Which means that as the officers arriving first on the scene let the citizen know they are not expected to give a statement until all the available video tapes that may be available have been viewed by the shooter.
    As armed citizens, it is incumbent on us to know these things beforehand, rather than relying upon the knowledge and good will of those responding.
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    Things are trending that way. I have read several articles about this very thing from various sources and I believe this thinking does comes from Grossmans "On Combat".
    They are finding that the information given is much more accurate after a couple day "cool off" period and that the recovery time from the mental trauma that is associated from killing someone is less, so its a much better situation all around.
    Since that seems to be the case, why not?
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    Not sure I agree with reviewing evidence before making a statement as it just makes it easier to concoct a story.

    I don't have a problem with an optional or even mandatory time out before making a statement.

    I think the rules need to be the same for everyone, regardless of profession.

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