DPS switching to 9mm

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    DPS switching to 9mm

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    Word is that they have not been able to get enough .357 Sig ammo for training and qualification.
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    Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have been so greedy....
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzburgh View Post
    Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have been so greedy....
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzburgh View Post
    Sorry, maybe I shouldn't have been so greedy....
    Between the two of us, the market has been cornered.
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    Have you been scarfing all the .22lr as well?
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    I was given a G31 for helping train a Reserve Unit for a local PD. I liked it well enough, but saw a possible shortage coming & got rid of 9mm & .357Sig.
    Just guess work, but choosing the .45 served me well.

    Didn't see the .22lr shortage coming, though. Still got several thousand rounds to save on cost, though.

    Now, I 'guess' ammo is at its cheapest, so I'm stocking for life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdave View Post
    Have you been scarfing all the .22lr as well?
    I'll be good on it for a while but I have a lot more of .357SIG.
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    Info I've seen is they want the extra capacity....2 rounds per mag?!?!?! But I'm suspecting $$$$$ in budget for training and duty use for a large department is the main factor.
    Doesn't sound like much of a trade for what they are getting. The M&P has shown accuracy issues depending on loads, warranty is not as good, and depending on what load they go with for duty use, might be sacrificing a lot of power and penetration.

    Also, I was told that current troopers can keep the Sig if they want, can switch later if they want, but all new troopers in academy get the M&P.
    I would think if they wanted to switch to 9mm they would go with a Sig since all the current troopers are accustomed to its trigger, manual of arms, etc. Perhaps they tried and Sig wouldn't cooperate.
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    And where will DOS get their 9mm ammo from DHS

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    Quote Originally Posted by 64zebra View Post
    Info I've seen is they want the extra capacity....2 rounds per mag?!?!?! But I'm suspecting $$$$$ in budget for training and duty use for a large department is the main factor.
    Doesn't sound like much of a trade for what they are getting. The M&P has shown accuracy issues depending on loads, warranty is not as good, and depending on what load they go with for duty use, might be sacrificing a lot of power and penetration.

    Also, I was told that current troopers can keep the Sig if they want, can switch later if they want, but all new troopers in academy get the M&P.
    I would think if they wanted to switch to 9mm they would go with a Sig since all the current troopers are accustomed to its trigger, manual of arms, etc. Perhaps they tried and Sig wouldn't cooperate.
    I believe at one point they had P226 in 9mm and/or P220s in .45acp. As far as the duty round I believe it is one of the 147grain bonded loads.
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    Texas DPS went from .45acp to .357sig to now 9mm. I figure they'll be arming troopers with .25acp in about 50 years...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    I believe at one point they had P226 in 9mm and/or P220s in .45acp. As far as the duty round I believe it is one of the 147grain bonded loads.
    When my uncle was a trooper he went from .357 mag to a P220 .45 and retired with it. Per the Texas Rangers museum in Waco, persons in investigator positions or higher-ups could have the P226 9mm back then and some still do even after field troopers were switched to the .357sig.

    We use the 147gr Gold Dots but rumor has it we're switching to HST in a few months.
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    At one point my old department issued 147 grain Hydra Shoks. They were awsome out of the sub guns but marginal out of pistols. Inconsistent expansion. Hopefully the new stuff is better. I myself prefer the middle weight (124-127 grain) stuff in +P or +P+.
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    My PD just switched from the Glock 22/23 40 S&W to the Sig Sauer P226/229 DAK in 357sig. We spoke to the majority of the state agencies that use this round and they all seemed to speak highly of it. Texas DPS included. Oh well. Based on the research we did we will be sticking with it. Duty load is 125 grain Gold Dot (54234).
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    Power and penetration? Handguns arent powerful. Rifles and shotguns are. So why not let the troopers have a gun they can shoot faster with accuracy and have more rounds to fire?

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