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    Reserve officer fired for carrying on school grounds...

    ... while at his job as a building and grounds employee (janitor) at the school.

    Story here

    I'd lump him into the wannabe fan boy category... but that's me...

    Redacted the above line... the story was short enough on facts that I made an assumption... corrected by Mike below.
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    It could be worse!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    ... while at his job as a building and grounds employee (janitor) at the school.

    Story here

    I'd lump him into the wannabe fan boy category... but that's me...
    The sheriff he works for doesn't share your view, apparently. He was carrying on the grounds when no students were present, and school was not in session. The superintendent believes him to be a guilty of a Class D felony, while the sheriff does not. He is an academy-trained, sworn LEO.
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    IMHO, in today's social "climate" any & all trained/sworn LEOs should be COMPELLED BY LAW to remained armed in ALL locales. More sheepdogs = fewer wolves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost tracker View Post
    IMHO, in today's social "climate" any & all trained/sworn LEOs should be COMPELLED BY LAW to remained armed in ALL locales. More sheepdogs = fewer wolves.
    I would actually take that recommendation a few steps further.
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    My son's former principal was a Reserve LEO, I felt much better when he was there carrying. Unfortunately he is a great principal and got moved to another school that was struggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike1956 View Post
    The sheriff he works for doesn't share your view, apparently. He was carrying on the grounds when no students were present, and school was not in session. The superintendent believes him to be a guilty of a Class D felony, while the sheriff does not. He is an academy-trained, sworn LEO.
    Reserve officer loses job for carrying gun on school grounds | Local - Home
    Your story puts the whole thing in a different light... In Iowa... around here reserves are not fully academy trained... and not on duty as a Deputy would be.
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    There seems something odd about the claim that LEO need school board approval to be armed in school.

    Either State law there allows it or not, I would think, and it probably allows it. I can't imagine attempting to stop
    an officer during a chase through the school grounds because the school board didn't give particularized permission to that
    specific officer.

    IF, and I think it is a big if, the fired guy actually has the same rights as any other LEO in that state, the school is
    off base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    There seems something odd about the claim that LEO need school board approval to be armed in school.

    Either State law there allows it or not, I would think, and it probably allows it. I can't imagine attempting to stop
    an officer during a chase through the school grounds because the school board didn't give particularized permission to that
    specific officer.

    IF, and I think it is a big if, the fired guy actually has the same rights as any other LEO in that state, the school is
    off base.
    In reading the account I linked, the sheriff clearly believes it, even though he feels he has no status to intervene on his officer's behalf.
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    When will the idiocy stop. If you don't trust an off-duty officer with a gun, who will you trust (especially since antis are generally the people saying, "only police should carry guns.").
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    I do not know anyone around here stupid enough it say anything or make a fuss about a sworn LEO in any place at any time carrying a firearm, unless they were around some high security Federal facility. People we just have to have some basic level of reason. He being a know officer and at one time payed to patrol the school grounds, were is the big suprise.... Oh no, HE HAS A GUN.

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    Wouldn't LEOSA cover the legality of this? He's a sworn officer with a badge and a gun- reservists are protected under that law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 19Kvet View Post
    Wouldn't LEOSA cover the legality of this? He's a sworn officer with a badge and a gun- reservists are protected under that law.
    They still have to follow State and Federal Law,just like LEO's have to disarm when visiting the Post Office off duty even in uniform,or going to the VA
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    The Superintendent needs termination with prejudice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 19Kvet View Post
    Wouldn't LEOSA cover the legality of this? He's a sworn officer with a badge and a gun- reservists are protected under that law.
    LEOSA Does Not Exempt on School Grounds :: Blue Sheepdog

    The Federal Gun Free School Zones Act of 1995, Title 18 §922(q), does not provide an exemption for the off-duty possession of firearms on school grounds by police officers under the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act.

    It is a violation of federal law for an off-duty LEOSA-qualified sworn officer to carry a gun within a school zone, which is defined in §921(a)(25) as “in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school” or “within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school.”

    This does not affect on-duty police officers. Section §922(q)(2)(B)(vi) allows firearm carry “by a law enforcement officer acting in his official capacity.”
    Not that I agree with what happened here, but you asked about LEOSAs relevance.
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