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Yeah, didn't see it in the news here either. What a surprise.
However if Chicago's commissioner spouts his silliness the press will quote it as gospel.
15000 LEO's on the utility of gun control.
~1500 Joe Schmoes on the utility of this or that flavor-of-the-month gun-control proposal.
Of course, the results of the latter poll get published widely in the media and affect policy. But the former gets zero play at all, buried for all time.
And the beat goes on.
Kudos to the LEO's for recognizing the simplicity of the basic problem, along with the futility of a disarmed, emasculated citizenry.
Link to the full survey, results and analyses: click.
Of course it doesn't make the main stream media, it doesn't fit their agenda, so they ignore it. It looks better for them when they use the Association of Police Chief's or what ever it calls itself (who the large majority are appointees) , who echo their political boss saying guns are bad and should be banned. Then the press will come out with some BS headline like "NYC Police Back Banning High Capacity Magazines". They lead the reader to think the rank and file officers on the street back it, since their Chief/Commissioner backs it.
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Last March, the PoliceOne.com conducted a survey of 15,000 current, former or retired law enforcement officers from across the U.S. regarding gun control policies and the root causes of, and potential solutions to, gun crime in the U.S. The website is dedicated to covering law enforcement-related issues for 400,000 registered members who are all individually-verified federal, state or local law enforcement professionals.
Although some preliminary results were leaked during last April's debate on the first gun control package proposed in the U.S. Senate since 1994 -- all seven proposed bills were ultimately rejected -- PoliceOne.com formally released the survey's final results on Feb. 10.
The survey results confirm a complete and utter disconnect between gun control zealots and reality with 86 percent -- nearly 13,000 of 15,000 respondents -- stating that gun control laws "would have no effect or a negative effect on improving officer safety."
Other results:Perhaps most striking: More than 81 percent of respondents favor arming teachers, school administrators and/or other properly trained and vetted campus staff.
"Yet," Avery writes, "with a few notable exceptions, most teachers and school officials are opposed to this measure. Overcoming this kind of resistance will be a major roadblock to making our schools safer."
• 92 percent say banning semi-automatic firearms, or “assault weapons,” would have no effect or a negative effect on reducing violent crime
• 91 percent say the use of a firearm while perpetrating a crime should lead to a stiff, mandatory sentence with no plea bargains.
• 59 percent say increasing punishment severity for unlicensed dealers would reduce crime.
• 45 percent say mental health background checks in all gun sales would help not reduce mass shootings; 31 percent say it would.
• 71 percent support elected leaders who have publicly refused to enforce more restrictive gun laws within their jurisdictions.
• 82 percent say gun buyback or turn-in programs are ineffective in reducing the level of gun violence.
• 80 percent say legally armed citizens would likely have reduced the number of casualties in recent mass shooting incidents.
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I just know this will be widely publicized in all of our media outlets .
EN MI VIDA AL MAL NO TEMERÉ, POR QUE EN MI CORAZÓN Y MIS DOS .38 SUPER COLT.
LE leaders and LEO will do what they are told regardless of their personal opinions . It does not take a political science major to see they carry out the current political agenda to the letter.
You may find the rare COP that bucks the system for awhile but that person is promptly dealt with. We have seen COP is a small area attacked by the president and AG for not thinking right on the subject.
Take all the polls, do all the research you like it will change nothing. They will protect the pay check at all cost. And in most cases so would you.
In my experience there is a huge disconnect between the officers in the field and the officers in administrative positions. Almost exlusively the police administrators are considered the experts. The logic is if a street cop had any sense he'd get off the street and become an administrator. Officer's who spend their career on the streets are often looked at as immature and as problem children. It can go as far as officers dedicated to their oath, and to the delivery of justice are not team players, and need to be kept under control. This my friends is the dirty little secret of policing.
There are administrators who are still at heart street cops. IMO this is the only reason some things actually get done. Far too many administrators have never spent any real time on patrol, never got overwhelmed with calls for help, never made a death notification, never arrested a dangerous perp, never helped take the mangled body of a young person out of a wreck sometimes in pieces, never saw a senior citizen living in squalor eating cat food n crackers. I could go on and on but it's these kind of experiences that temper a rookie into a real cop.
I wonder what the story would look like if a reporter needed a cop to save his life and all that was available was an administrator/expert. I notice that they include retired cops in the survey. Thats a good thing as many of todays officers drink the kool-aid of administration.
My life was saved by some passing citizens... If they had been armed I probably wouldnt have taken as severe a beating as I did. Policing is a partnership between the officers and the people they serve. But thats policing... not law enforcement.
Now if this(the write up and survey) isn't exhibit A as a clear indication as to WHO runs the media, and tells the people what THEY want US to hear, then I don't know what is.
For all you naysayers and disbelievers;
Yes Virginia, there really is an agenda.
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EXACTLY! Cops know that a gun with one bullet will kill you just as dead as one with 32 rounds. Cops know that people who kill cops dont really care about magazine limits. They dont care about gun laws. They dont care about weapons bans, They dont care about gun free zones
Were they under any duress or intimidation when surveyed ? Because if they were they certainly didn't let it affect their answers.
I'm just not understanding how this has anything to do with the storyline originally posted.
Ignorance is a long way from stupid, but left unchecked, can get there real fast.
One thing I do know.............LE can not protect us as many citizens are led to believe.....and they know it.