A great letter from a Marine

A great letter from a Marine

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    A great letter from a Marine

    I hope that this has not already been posted; you run the risk of that in the new internet age. If it has; my apologies.
    This is a great read!

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    It was new to me and it was a very strong read - something any gutless anti-troops spectator should take on board. I saw no copyright statement so reckon we could share it here safely.

    It's a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target, we put a security round in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no paddy wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up "prisoners" and offering them a hot cup a joe, falafel, and a blanket. There's no time to mess around on the target. You clear the space, dump the chumps, and moveon.org.

    Are Corpsman expected to treat wounded terrorists? Negative. Hey libs, worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste, fraud, and abuse for a Corpsman to expend one man-minute or a battle dressing on a terrorist. It (makes a lot more sense) to spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.

    By the way, in our view, terrorists who chop off civilian's heads are not prisoners, they are carcasses. Chopping off a civilian's head is another reason why these idiots are known as "unlawful combatants." It seems that most of the world's journalists have forgotten that fact. (...more)

    Let me be very clear about this issue. I have looked around the web, and many people get this concept, but there are some stragglers.

    Here is your situation Marine: You just took fire from unlawful combatants
    (no uniform - breaking every Geneva Convention rule there is) shooting from a religious building attempting to use the sanctuary status of their position as protection. But you're in Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they're not playing that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on fire and you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s (Rockets), some 40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down.

    So you run over there, and find some tangos (bad guys) wounded and pretending to be dead. You are aware that suicide martyrdom is like really popular with these idiots, and they think taking some Marines with them would be really cool. So you can risk your life and your fire team's lives by having them cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you think is pretending to be dead for some reason.

    Most of the time these are the guys with the grenade or vest made of explosives. Also, you don't know who or what is in the next room. You're already speaking English to the rest of your fire team or squad which lets the terrorist know you are there and you are his enemy. You are speaking loud because your hearing is poor from shooting for several days. So you know that there are many other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are in the mosque. Meanwhile (3 seconds later), you still have this terrorist (that was just shooting at you from a mosque) playing possum. What do you do? You double tap his head, and you go to the next room, that's what!!!

    What about the Geneva Convention and all that Law of Land Warfare stuff? What about it. Without even addressing the issues at hand, your first thought should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."

    Bear in mind that this tactic of double tapping a fallen terrorist is a perpetual mindset that is reinforced by experience on a minute by minute basis. Secondly, you are fighting an unlawful combatant in a Sanctuary, which is a double No-No on his part. Third, tactically you are in no position to take "prisoners" because there are more rooms to search and clear, and the behavior of said terrorist indicates that he is up to no good. No good in Fallujah is a very large place and the low end of no good
    and the high end of no good are fundamentally the same ... Marines end up getting hurt or die. So there is no compelling reason for you to do anything but double tap this idiot and get on with the mission.

    If you are a veteran, then everything I have just written is self evident. If you are not a veteran, then at least try to put yourself in the situation. Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no tomorrow, there is only now. Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for a week? It is really, really not easy. If you have never lived in NOW for longer than it takes to finish the big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut your face about putting Marines in jail for "War Crimes".
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    Semper Fi
    Blessed be the Lord my rock who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle. Psalm 144:1

    Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    Finally, writing by someone who understands "being there".

    I could make a couple more comments, but as usual I'm here to uphold the forum. But suffice it to say there are some of our leaders (from both parties) that should be reading that and a lot more like it.

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    Sounds about right to me!

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    If they yearn for martyrdom we should help them attain their goal. It's the only humanitarian thing to do IMO.

    Kill 'em all and let Allah sort 'em out.
    When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.

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    The Troops...

    Have my support...hands down...


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    Haha, I wonder how many times he had to edit it for language. My mind kept filling in the blanks to translate it into real jarhead. Pretty much agree with him, that's just how it is.
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    Dang right. The motto in Vietnam was" Win their hearts and minds", In Iraq, it should be "Two to the heart and one to the mind"
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    The line of hard men willing to rain violence on our enemies so you can sleep warmly and safely in your bed at night continues. That's what we do. Semper fi.

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    Rock on...Murtha can go to hell.

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    Its odd to think that there are many people out there that will never grasp what that letter means.
    "Do not fear those who disagree with you; fear those that do and are too cowardly to admit it" - Napoleon

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    You are not doing anything that your grandfathers didn't do in the Pacific in WWII. They wanted to be martyrs anyway, so wish granted!
    "If we loose Freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the Last Place on Earth!" Ronald Reagan

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