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    I come from a Federal position where drug and alcohol tests were required and common. Many tests on Friday then a retest on Monday catching all that thought Friday gave clearance to use during the weekend.

    In searching all the resources I can find there is no mention of drug testing an officer in a shooting nor the shooter in a civilian shooting. I find it odd that there is no blood draw.

    Am I missing something is there no requirement to know if the shooter is unimpaired? I thought about this after reading Chorizos thoughts on medication.

    Straighten me out on this if you would.
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    It makes sense to me. All involved should have a blood draw. Would reduce speculation and doubts.
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    Makes sense to me...... This in itself can clear an Officer, or... unfortunatly, the reverse............................ It can ALSO help to convict the individual (s) involved....The D O T does it, more and more Companies are doing it too. .Makes PERFECT sense to me in every way.
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    It could be made a condition of employment for the LEO, but would probably require a warrant for the perp. 5th Amendment etc...
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    It might help explain someone's state of mind but I'm not sure it really changes a good shoot to a bad one. or vice versa.
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    I've never had to submit to a drug test after using my firearm. As an elevator mechanic I always get tested after any kind of an accident. Even if someone hits my car.
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    Same here hit anything with the company vehicle and it's off to the lab. Had a guy run over a sprinkler head at a school and he had to go pee pee even though the sprinkler head was not visible due to high grass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoganbeg View Post
    It might help explain someone's state of mind but I'm not sure it really changes a good shoot to a bad one. or vice versa.
    Yes, and yet the tendency might be to make assumptions that it did. Hence, a bad idea... which most drug testing is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Secret Spuk View Post
    I've never had to submit to a drug test after using my firearm. As an elevator mechanic I always get tested after any kind of an accident. Even if someone hits my car.
    Is that just your company's policy or has DOT somehow decided that elevators are transportation regulatable by DOT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbit212 View Post
    Same here hit anything with the company vehicle and it's off to the lab. Had a guy run over a sprinkler head at a school and he had to go pee pee even though the sprinkler head was not visible due to high grass.
    Sad. This is sort of the rough equivalent of suspending a kid from school for drawing a gun.

    Someone has no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Sarge View Post
    It makes sense to me. All involved should have a blood draw. Would reduce speculation and doubts.
    I understand your sentiment, but for every problem there is often "simple solution" which is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Is that just your company's policy or has DOT somehow decided that elevators are transportation regulatable by DOT?
    I don't really know anything except being an elevator mechanic is probably the most sought after blue collar job in America. It is highly regulated and unionized. I am really just responding because it is a cool job that most people don't realize.
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    There would have to be reasonable cause to draw blood--above and beyond the shooting itself--such as slurred speech, etc. Still, in FL, drunks still have the right to defend themselves.
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