'Tiny cameras to prevent hijackings....'

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    'Tiny cameras to prevent hijackings....'

    http://www.airportbusiness.com/onlin...&siteSection=5

    TINY cameras the size of a fingernail linked to specialist computers are to be used to monitor the behaviour of airline passengers as part of the war on terrorism.

    Cameras fitted to seatbacks will record every twitch, blink, facial expression or suspicious movement before sending the data to onboard software which will check it against individual passenger profiles.

    Scientists from Britain and Germany are spending Pounds 25million developing a system which they hope will make it virtually impossible to hijack an airliner by providing pilots and cabin crew with an early warning of a possible terrorist attack such as 9/11. They say that rapid eye movements, blinking excessively, licking lips or ways of stroking hair or ears are classic symptoms of somebody trying to conceal something.

    A separate microphone will hear and record even whispered remarks. Islamic suicide bombers are known to whisper texts from the Koran in the moments before they explode bombs.
    I can see this NOT turning out well.

    My wife hates to fly, she gets visibly agitated while flying, she's not dangerous or anything, but you can tell she's very uncomfortable. She also wears contacts, so the 'rapid eye movements & excessive blinking' describes her pretty well. She has on occasion mumbled a little prayer right before take-off as well.

    I have also seen a lot of people who have flying phobias as well. I wonder how many mistakes will be made with this little gem............

    (p.s....never thought 'big brother' would get this close.)
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    So, they want to put a camera on every seat? Ok, they can get a couple hours of me reading a book or sleeping. But that is going to cost a whole lot of money. And who is going to to monitor all 200 or so people on the plane?

    A computer, that can't distinguish between those who fly and don't enjoy it, and a threat?

    Even if it does identify threats, there still has to be a way to prevent them from taking action. The money would probably be better spent on thick doors and strong locks to crew areas, and air marhsals.
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    Oh my - Not Big Brother - Huge Brother

    Should work wonders for encouraging air travel - not! I quite enjoy flying but my back and knees do not and so - I shuffle, I fidget and probably grimace - even mutter to self (expletives!) .......... sure would not come over as Mr Relaxed!!!

    The expense will not in any way be money well spent. So many other ways to put funds into security. Not sure why but this reminds me of the ineffective, useless profligacy of ''ballistic fingerprinting''.
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    wait til the video is recorded, put out on the internet.. and there you are.. adjusting your junk, scratching yourself, picking a wedgie, picking your nose.. all for the world to see.

    this is why I hate video surveillance. not only do you get watched by the camera operator, but any stupid or silly thing you do.. now days is rushed out to the internet for all to view.

    I guess you will just have to put a sign in your lap, facing up.. that says IF YOU CAN READ THIS YOU'RE TOO CLOSE

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    So I guess if you were to carry a roll of tape & put it over the lense, they would charge you , like you had disabled the smoke detector in the john?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goawayfarm View Post
    So I guess if you were to carry a roll of tape & put it over the lense, they would charge you , like you had disabled the smoke detector in the john?
    You'd be cuffed faster than you could ask for a bag of peanuts.
    That would be part of the software, identifying any sabotage. And undoubtably part of the laws implemented along with, no tampering with the seat in front of you.

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    Just hold a copy of Guns and Ammo close up to the camera - and wait .... LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry View Post
    Just hold a copy of Guns and Ammo close up to the camera - and wait .... LOL
    Even better, the civilian EOD community has a publication called "The Detonator", I know where I'll have to read it from now on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by P95Carry View Post
    Just hold a copy of Guns and Ammo close up to the camera - and wait .... LOL
    Or even better, that copy of the news paper with the gun on it from last week or so.

    This has so many problems, If they are smart, it will fail in the "step back and shoot holes in your idea" phase. As others have said, how do you tell between someone that does not like to fly and a criminal.

    And how long, bofore the face recoginition software gets plugged in, and they start dragging people off the planes after landing, or just plain keep tabs on your every move.

    What do you think would be the penality for flipping the camera the bird. It is just a computer watching, RIGHT.
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    I would rather they just put 5-6 cameras in the plane with wide angle lenses so that ground controllers could see what's going on if they think there's a hijacking in progress.

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    Clearly, this is just a dog and pony show.
    Lets say it does work as advertised... then what? The plane is rocketing along at 30k feet... I can see it now "yup, that thar be a terrorist" "what do we do now, boss?"
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    Sure, they can see what is going on, but who is going to fly the plane then?

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    Cameras fitted to seatbacks will record every twitch, blink, facial expression or suspicious movement before sending the data to onboard software which will check it against individual passenger profiles.
    And a $5 airline blanket or 50 cent airline pillow cover over the seat in front of you will render the system usless.
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    My aunt is a pilot with U.S. airways. One time she was flying from Pittsburg to Columbus. This was in December, 2001. Some snuck a knife on board and called the local radio station to tell them he had a knife on a plane. When they got up to the jetway, several police were waiting at the plane's exit. The man saw them and said "I'm the guy you're looking for." They were not very gentle when they arrested him. Now he's in jail and will be for a long time.
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