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    Well, if I were king, there would be a strong wall between us and Mexico with a significant force to insure it's security and a strong chain link fence between the U.S. and Quebec. The rest of Canada would be welcome to visit as they do now. When I lived in upstate NY, we would frequently be visited by Canadians. Those from Ontario were pretty darned nice people (especially those from Toronto), and generally, the ones from Quebec were liberal arrogant AHs. There was at one time quite a few Canadians (except Quebec) wanting to become a part of the US....
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    I assume QK you posted a spoof flag pic? Nothing shows here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter
    I wonder what the new United States Of Canada & Mexico Flag Will Look Like?
    A jumbled mess probably!
    I'm surprised you haven't designed it for them!!
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    Well - one flag has to dominate, yeah?


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    I would prefer the same Stars and Stripes, with some new stars, one more for each state of Mexico assimilated into OUR country, culture, and way of life. I have no need for invading Canada - good neighbors up thier, good beer.
    I live where Aztlan is supposed to be, and there will be a few less Aztlan Army volunteers before I go down. The only Az here is Arizona!
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    The only Az here is Arizona!




    I like that !

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    Hmmm - Mexical States eh. You say ''assimilated'' - hmmm - can't see that as being easy! How many states do they have anyways - I mean, there are only just THE 50 states of the US of A - do we really want MORE?! From there?

    Not sure I'd want to see more stars there (with OURS!) What's a Mex' star look like - maybe needs to be different! Maybe not stars but Burritos or Tacos

    I agree re the Canuks - no disrespect to them - and they have their own beaurocrat probs too.
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    Make 'em territories, not states. Then we can leave the flag alone....
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    I think integrating cultures and people who already don't like the U.S. would cause much more harm than good. I have seen how some of the french -Can. look upon the U.S. Which is fine with me, juist keep em up north. I feel the reason the U.S. has done so well in the past , everyone coming here learned to adjust to a multi ethnic culture , but also learned to speak English. Would the Mexicans and Canadians be willing to accept 1 language, whatever it may be?

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    My .02 cents...

    The reason that this country has fared well is because people wanted to be a part of it. They wanted to be come citizens in a country where a man could do as well as he was willing to work for. They learned the culture, the language,the history and they became as American as anyone that was born here. They didnt forget their heritage,but they didnt let it control what they were doing ethier.

    Part of the problem with this country is the unwillingness of those to become "American". They want to live here with all of the benefits but they refuse to particpate fully,instead choosing to remain foreigners in a country that accepts them.
    This politically correct crap, such as Mexican Amercian, Iranian Amercian,African Amercian,Canadian American, has got to go. Its been the downfall of everygreat nation since the beginning of time.

    Yeah I know its called "diversity" or being diverse.

    Diversity as we know it today is BS. If the people that founded this country were so dead set on being diverse, this country wouldnt have lasted a single generation. Instead, they used their heritage and gifts to become a better nation, in fact the best in the world.Their common goal was to become American. To learn the language.To raise American kids who would eventually raise American grandbabies.

    What to we have going on today ? Today we have a bunch of foreigners sneaking in and out that want all of the benefits without accepting everything else that goes with it.

    Want to live here ? Then do it correctly. Learn the language. Become part of society, learn the history and how the government works and pay taxes. Become a productive part of America.



    If you want to speak ONLY your native language and come here ONLY for the benefits and because you can work here for a week and make six months worth of wages where you come from ,then take your ass back across the border and keep it there. Got Atzlan in your vocabulary ? Just remember that the southen borders you have to cross have the highest percapita ownership of guns.

    With people that will use them, that are getting fed up with this open border crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rstickle
    I think the biggest problem would be economic, and more with Mexico. Let's see how the EU turns out first! Besides, don't think it would work.
    I may be an idealist but I think the economic issue would disappear (relatively speaking) when a captialist government is instituted.

    I hate to be the one guy on the forum who disagrees, but let's face it - most of the issues we have with these countries aren't around culture - it's their form of government and its influence on the culture. You put a good democratic republic in place with a bill of rights and a strong capitalist economic government behind it and the things we don't like disappear.

    The things that made this country succeed weren't it's inherent culture. We didn't have an inherent culture. It was the insight of our founding fathers who put in place a form of government that would engender the type of culture that we have grown to love as Americans. You inject that same idealism into another country and I think you'll find we're closer than you think.

    A lot of the feelings I see being displayed seem very similar to how the majority of the colonials felt before a federal government was instituted. Together we stand - divided we fall. And let's face it - the US isn't big enough to fight the ever growing socialistic giant on the 'other side of the pond' alone.

    Were our founding fathers a bunch of diversity freaks? Nah - but they were avid expansionists. And we seemed to have lost sight of that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe/OH
    I may be an idealist but I think the economic issue would disappear (relatively speaking) when a captialist government is instituted.

    I hate to be the one guy on the forum who disagrees, but let's face it - most of the issues we have with these countries aren't around culture - it's their form of government and its influence on the culture. You put a good democratic republic in place with a bill of rights and a strong capitalist economic government behind it and the things we don't like disappear.
    Well, I hate to say this, but I TEACH both Economics and Government and there is a lot of "wiggle room" in your theory. Like for example, should such a thing ever come to pass it wouldn't be just US, it'd be a global matter, hence the UN will be centrally involved. Here is an EXCELLENT book you can get from amazon.com for about $2.00 + postage. It's by William F. Jasper and it's title is Global Tyranny: Step by Step. This book will truly open your eyes to the threats presented by global government.

    Let me just say this: George Washington once said that Government is FORCE. That being the case, doesn't it make sense that therefore World Government is WORLD FORCE? Because that is the aim of this erasure of borders trend. Make no mistake. Heck, it's so out in the open, I've been to educators seminars that simply crowed about this future reality! So are the majority of UN members capitalists and successful at it, or are they more leaning to the socialist models of government with many even going deeper into depotism?
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    ExSoldier, I'll definitely check out the book.

    Another good read is Niall Ferguson's Colossus. He's neither an economist nor a politician - but a historian. The book is a little difficult to get through (historians... ) but it worth the perspective.

    As far as the UN goes - we can heed or ignore them as much as we like, as we have most recently proven. They have no power and are only as involved as WE (the US) let them impose.

    I think somewhere along the lines we forgot that we are THE super power and have some ability to write our own history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe/OH
    ExSoldier, I'll definitely check out the book.

    Another good read is Niall Ferguson's Colossus. He's neither an economist nor a politician - but a historian. The book is a little difficult to get through (historians... ) but it worth the perspective.

    As far as the UN goes - we can heed or ignore them as much as we like, as we have most recently proven. They have no power and are only as involved as WE (the US) let them impose.

    I think somewhere along the lines we forgot that we are THE super power and have some ability to write our own history.
    I'd probably LOVE "Colossus" being a teacher of history myself.

    Your view on the UN is true only insofar as we have a real President with the backbone to appoint somebody like a JOHN BOLTON to keep the UN "in check." But imagine the catastrophe if Hillary was President and Bill Clinton became UN Secretary General (a position he BADLY desires) and the Democrats were to secure even a parity of votes in the Senate, because there will always be RINO (read liberal) Republicans who will side with them to our detriment. Even now, GWB is still paying the userous dues that amount to over 25% of the UN budget. Does it seem fair that we are but ONE country with our own share of poverty to be shouldering so much of the UN burden? Wanna bet it would go UP dramatically if the wrong group ever controlled our country?

    Worse, what if the UNTHINKABLE happened and we get hit really bad in a terror attack? Bad enough to take us off the world stage as a "superpower?" Bad enough to devastate our economy and put us into a depression, maybe with massive social disorder. With so much of our troop strength overseas, guess who get's to come riding to the rescue and ummmmm Keep the Peace? Once here and within reach of our own natural resources (among which they count our WOMEN) you think we'll ever see the end of their presence?
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    Once here and within reach of our own natural resources (among which they count our WOMEN) you think we'll ever see the end of their presence?
    There's an answer to that Ex which would be unwise to put in print.
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