Court Papers Show How 'Iron River' of Guns Flows Into Mexico

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    Post Court Papers Show How 'Iron River' of Guns Flows Into Mexico

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258270,00.html

    [I find the timing of all of this coincidental...maybe]

    MESA, Ariz. Human and drug-smuggling organizations in Mexico are getting their guns from the same places law-abiding U.S. citizens are getting theirs: licensed gun dealers and gun shows, according to court documents.

    "There's an iron river of guns flowing to Mexico," said special agent Thomas Mangan, spokesman for the Phoenix office of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    Search warrant affidavits show smugglers are getting guns from "straw purchasers," people with clean records who buy guns for smugglers, who then sneak them across the border for a few hundred dollars.

    Records show the weaponry is bought from legitimate dealers in U.S. cities from Tucson to Scottsdale and Apache Junction to Avondale.

    On Jan. 21, agents with the U.S. Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested Cedric Lloyd Manuel and Miguel Apodaca of Phoenix with nine assault rifles at the Arizona-Mexico border.

    The guns had been bought the day before at gun stores in Apache Junction, Scottsdale and Phoenix. They were purchased by three brothers, Lucio, Rosendo and Marcos Aguilar. [OK--these three guys were breaking the law--they were caught--now punish them!!!]

    Between November and the Jan. 21 arrests at the border, the Aguilars and others in the straw-purchasing crew bought 66 assault rifles, records show.

    "Manuel (Aguilar) stated that he had taken probably about 20 loads of firearms into Mexico over the past couple of months," ATF special agent Heidi Peterson wrote in the affidavit.

    The Aguilar family, Manuel Apodaca and the alleged ringleader, Blas Bustamante, have been charged in U.S. District Court with gun violations.

    Mangan said the value of guns triples across the border.

    He said Mexican crime organizations use the same infrastructure for smuggling humans and drugs north as they do to move the guns south.

    He said the agency is working on a number of Arizona gun trafficking investigations while they also work with Mexican authorities to trace guns used in crimes across the border.

    One such crime was the shooting of Ramon Tacho Verdugo, the 49-year-old police chief of Agua Prieta, Sonora, who was gunned down as he left the police station Feb. 26.

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    Between November and the Jan. 21 arrests at the border, the Aguilars and others in the straw-purchasing crew bought 66 assault rifles, records show.
    Hmm criminals are useing straw purchases to aquire guns .. I note no mention is made of any wrongdoing by any gun dealers , so they must be reasonably discrete on how they run it .
    Mangan said the value of guns triples across the border.
    When something is prohibited the price usually does skyrocket for the item in the prohibited zone .
    He said Mexican crime organizations use the same infrastructure for smuggling humans and drugs north as they do to move the guns south.
    Kudos to the BATFE for the investigation and arrests . Now that they apparently have a handle of the " smuggling infrastructure " just how can we get them to set down with ICE and clue them in? Seems to me it might benefit the efforts to stop the illegals coming north if true LOL.
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    "There's an iron river of guns flowing to Mexico," said special agent Thomas Mangan, spokesman for the Phoenix office of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
    If this guy ever finds he can't cut it in the ATF, I'm sure there will be a spot for him in the Bureau of Hyperbole and Hysterical Language...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258270,00.html

    [I find the timing of all of this coincidental...maybe]

    MESA, Ariz. Human and drug-smuggling organizations in Mexico are getting their guns from the same places law-abiding U.S. citizens are getting theirs: licensed gun dealers and gun shows, according to court documents.

    "There's an iron river of guns flowing to Mexico," said special agent Thomas Mangan, spokesman for the Phoenix office of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    Search warrant affidavits show smugglers are getting guns from "straw purchasers," people with clean records who buy guns for smugglers, who then sneak them across the border for a few hundred dollars.

    Records show the weaponry is bought from legitimate dealers in U.S. cities from Tucson to Scottsdale and Apache Junction to Avondale.

    On Jan. 21, agents with the U.S. Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrested Cedric Lloyd Manuel and Miguel Apodaca of Phoenix with nine assault rifles at the Arizona-Mexico border.

    The guns had been bought the day before at gun stores in Apache Junction, Scottsdale and Phoenix. They were purchased by three brothers, Lucio, Rosendo and Marcos Aguilar. [OK--these three guys were breaking the law--they were caught--now punish them!!!]

    Between November and the Jan. 21 arrests at the border, the Aguilars and others in the straw-purchasing crew bought 66 assault rifles, records show.

    "Manuel (Aguilar) stated that he had taken probably about 20 loads of firearms into Mexico over the past couple of months," ATF special agent Heidi Peterson wrote in the affidavit.

    The Aguilar family, Manuel Apodaca and the alleged ringleader, Blas Bustamante, have been charged in U.S. District Court with gun violations.

    Mangan said the value of guns triples across the border.

    He said Mexican crime organizations use the same infrastructure for smuggling humans and drugs north as they do to move the guns south.

    He said the agency is working on a number of Arizona gun trafficking investigations while they also work with Mexican authorities to trace guns used in crimes across the border.

    One such crime was the shooting of Ramon Tacho Verdugo, the 49-year-old police chief of Agua Prieta, Sonora, who was gunned down as he left the police station Feb. 26.
    ...were the 'been' brothers...Would'a Been, Should'a Been, and Could'a Been...pulling your leg...
    This sounds like a bunch of 'Toro Feces' to me...

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    From some of the rumblings I have heard there are also illegal full auto weapons flowing north FROM Mexico. I have heard of a couple of AKs that have been seized in my home town lately that have no markings on them at all except for the original Chinese stampings that are believed to have been brought north.

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    Maybe if Mexico would help keep their citizens in their own country, they wouldn't have this problem.
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