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    4 Killed in Greenwich Village Shooting

    Mar 15 02:13 AM US/Eastern
    By COLLEEN LONG
    Associated Press Writer


    NEW YORK (AP) - A gunman shot and killed a pizza parlor employee and two unarmed volunteer police officers who pursued him, then was shot to death by other officers in a series of shootings in a crowded Manhattan neighborhood Wednesday, the mayor said.
    The bedlam began around 9 p.m., when the gunman went into the pizzeria, asked for a menu and then shot an employee 15 times in the back, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.

    The two auxiliary officersócivilian volunteers who wear uniforms, are unarmed and help patrol streetsófollowed the killer briefly before he turned his gun on them, the mayor said.

    "Tonight was a horrible night for the New York Police Department and for our city," he said. "Two men who volunteered their time to make our city the safest big city in America lost their lives helping to keep it exactly that way."

    The gunman, who was wearing a fake beard and carrying two guns and 100 rounds of ammunition, had to cross a street to shoot the auxiliary officers, Bloomberg said.

    He was killed by regular police officers who rushed to the scene.

    The shootouts took place outside a strip of busy restaurants and bars near New York University in a crowded section of Manhattan's Greenwich Village.

    Restaurant worker Nikola Simic said he saw police officers swarm toward the middle of the street.

    "Then we heard a shooting that was like a good five minutes," Simic said.

    Josh Drimmer was inside a bar at the time of the shooting.

    "Hearing that many shots in a row," he said, "it was war. It felt like that for a hot second."

    Witness Darren McNamara, a tourist from London, said he heard two bursts and thought it was someone shattering the front window of a shop, but it turned out to be gunfire.

    Police cordoned off several blocks and escorted area residents to their homes.
    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

    If concealed carry was allowed in NYC, it is quite possible things would have happened differently and the two auxiliary officers would have went home to their families.

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    Sad....
    Pray for the victims families.....
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    Very sad, but I am puzzled.

    NYC is a "gun free" zone, so how could this be possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattLarson View Post
    Very sad, but I am puzzled.

    NYC is a "gun free" zone, so how could this be possible?

    Matt
    Perhaps that is why two of the victims were "unarmed volunteer police officers".
    I'm a child of the 60's, but I got over it.

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    ....let the Bloomberg blame game begin (where guns, dealers, and "lax" gun laws are the true bad guy.)
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    The real lesson: the unarmed "security" types were gunned down, while the real security folks were suitably armed and thus able to expeditiously terminate the problem. It's true of police, sheriff and security guards; and it's equally true of everyone else. It really is that simple.

    The fact that folks are attempting to disarm people from being able to provide any actual defense at all is the single most appalling thing happening in the U.S. today, IMO. It smacks of a deep-rooted disregard for the rule of law, the Constitution, the rights of the duly authorized authority of the land (citizens), and all concept of what's right.
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    I saw this this morning. Certainly a sad end to what could have been stopped sooner. This guy was clearly on a killing spree, and wasn't slowed down at all by the two unarmed officers. I don't know what the two officers were intending to do once they found the gunman (unless they didn't know he was armed), but, as has proved true so many times, the BG was only stopped by overwhelming application of force, in this case someone else with a gun.

    "It could have been a lot worse," Bloomberg said. "Without the actions of our brave officers most likely it would have been."

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/15/nyc...out/index.html
    If all the officers had been armed, or better yet, someone in the pizzeria had been armed, it could have been a lot better. Shooting someone 15 times takes a substantial amount of time - time that could have been enough for another patron to pull his own weapon, and change the headline to "Hero citizen saves gunshot victim's life, Stops shooting spree before it begins."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob The Great View Post
    ...and change the headline to "Hero citizen saves gunshot victim's life, Stops shooting spree before it begins."
    You're right that that could and should have been the headline, but if it had happened that way, the media probably would have said, "Vigilante Kills Father of Three Buying Pizza," or some such nonsense.

    Sorry, my inner cynic is alive and well today....

    May the officers who lost their lives rest in peace, and may their families find strength, and solace in the knowledge that their loved ones laid down their lives for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falcon1 View Post
    You're right that that could and should have been the headline, but if it had happened that way, the media probably would have said, "Vigilante Kills Father of Three Buying Pizza," or some such nonsense.

    Sorry, my inner cynic is alive and well today....
    ....or someone would have sued the good guy for causing a gunfight; or because they became emotionally distressed or distraught over the shooting despite being five city blocks away.....unfortunately, I know the types of folks inhabiting my home city all too well.
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    To offset this bad news deal - maybe this will lighten things a tad .......

    A Fourth Mayor Quits Bloomberg Anti-Gun Group

    New York Sun

    A fourth mayor has withdrawn from Mayor Bloomberg`s coalition against illegal guns, officials said. Mayor Mary Wolf of Williamsport, Pa., said in an interview yesterday that she withdrew from Mayors Against Illegal Guns because she thought it was attempting to erode all gun ownership, not just illegal guns.

    http://www.nysun.com/article/50547
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    Good to see some politicians are regaining their wits.

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    Mayor Mary Wolf of Williamsport, Pa., said ... she thought it was attempting to erode all gun ownership, not just illegal guns.
    Well, no kidding.
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    Dear Mayor Bloomberg:

    Stupid is as stupid does.

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    Falcon1 and SRFL are both right,this would have turned out to be the good guy shouldnt have shot and killed the poor poor father of three cause he had just lost his job and was distraught.He should have only wounded the BG and the BG could have received counciling and his children would still have there father.Oh and by the way the GG could be facing a 30 million dollar Civil Lawsuit.Its sad but happens everyday. Such Bureaucratic and Media BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by srfl View Post
    ....let the Bloomberg blame game begin (where guns, dealers, and "lax" gun laws are the true bad guy.)
    Did any of you'all know that Bloomberg carries?...


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