High court rejects appeal over ban on guns at post offices
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court won't hear a dispute over a U.S. Postal Service regulation that bans guns from post office property and adjacent parking lots.
The justices on Monday let stand an appeals court ruling that said the Second Amendment right to bear arms does not extend to government buildings or the parking areas that serve them.
I think it is more about they don't want to show their hand (minus one) they will wait till they have a clone in place to really make it hurt . To them this is small potatoes .
As someone who works in a Federal Building and parks in an underground parking garage that is also gov't property, I really wanted them to rule on the parking lot issue. I can't even leave my weapon in my truck during the day while I am at work because of where I park.
Welcome to my world where I work on a Military Base. No weapons carried and none in the car coming on post, unless "heading directly to the firing range for practice and then directly off post again at the end.
Actually, IMO, it is the best we could hope for in today's climate. Had the court taken the case and tied, the lower court ruling would stand, the same result as not taking the case. When the court takes a case and rules it is much harder, MUCH harder, to bring the issue back before the court. By not taking the case they made it slightly easier for us to bring it up again. The ban is PO regulation, not a law. It can be overturned by the president without any need for congressional approval. Get the right pres and the infringement goes away.
The justices on Monday let stand an appeals court ruling that said the Second Amendment right to bear arms does not extend to government buildings or the parking areas that serve them.
No such authority to restrict the citizens their liberties in the people's public spaces is provided for, in the 2A's prohibition on fiddling with the RKBA. None is provided for in the 1A's prohibition on fiddling with speech. Net effect is that the staffers get better treated as a protected class, whereas the peons who've hired them do not. :tired:
It's gotta be one hell of a job to undermine, deflect and pretend, when it comes to the Constitution. I wonder how they sleep at night.
If you dont care about anyone but yourself (like most in Washington) nothing will keep you up at night except as it relates to you. This doesn't affect them personally so it is just judicial drivel.
Where, oh where, in the second amendment does it say that the right of the people to keep an bear arms shall NOT apply on government property!?! One of the reasons for the 2A was to keep government from encroaching on our rights.
You're off on the details a bit. It was Bush, not Obama, that was widely reported to have blurted that out during a gathering in the Oval Office. The attribution has been disputed but the reports have circulated for almost a decade. Probably it's a common thing to say about a politician whom you don't like. Apropos of nothing it's been reported through more reliable channels that his AG called the Constitution an outmoded, obsolete document.
I go to my local post office several times a week while armed (not inside) to drop off mail in their collection box just outside, park in the parking lot, and walk on the sidewalk that goes right by the post office. And it's all perfectly legal.
This particular post office is in a very small strip of business which all share the parking lot and the sidewalk. Same would be the case for a post office in a hardware store. No way they could keep you from entering armed there, unless the owner of the store had posted a no guns sign.
Soooo, remember when the Post Office was part of the Government, and then became not part of the Government, and now they are part of the Government when convenient??? The status of the Post Office confounds me.
I was told that it was up to the individual Postmaster. While there are many Post Offices that are posted, there are many that are not.
I can tell you for a fact that the one I use has no mention of it and people carry in there daily to do their business. I run a bunch of firearms and related stuff through there weekly.
The prohibition signs that used to be posted on the doors came down several years ago.
So for all of you legal experts out there...IF it was illegal to even think about carrying a gun concealed in a post office, then how is that mailing a gun or picking one up at the Post Office is legal?
Many of the packages my mail man brings to me require a signature. If I am not here to sign it, he drops it off at the post office, where I must present my notice and pick up my package. I then walk out with my gun.
If a law abiding, CCW licensed citizen is no threat carrying a gun one place, then they are safe carrying one everywhere. I guess I can understand the prohibition in courtrooms and airport boarding areas but, otherwise, it should not matter.
Logic will not be tolerated here...that will be enough. :smile:
It's very simple, just because you go through fingerprinting and multiple State and federal criminal background checks does not mean we are letting you anywhere near the mailman with your big gun.
My town has no Post office only a "postal unit" which is a small unmanned building with PO Boxes and a mail drop off chute in a 10x30 lobby. It is posted with not one but 2 signs.....in case you miss the first one. The only thing in the lobby is a security camera and a 30 gallon trash can. It's a high security area......
My town has no Post office only a "postal unit" which is a small unmanned building with PO Boxes and a mail drop off chute in a 10x30 lobby. It is posted with not one but 2 signs.....in case you miss the first one. The only thing in the lobby is a security camera and a 30 gallon trash can. It's a high security area......
The Obama administration argued that the Second Amendment does not restrict laws forbidding guns in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings.
Which is a stinking load of fecal material. The government facilities are THE PEOPLES' FACILITIES. And there's nothing more sensitive about a post office lobby or parking lot than any other place of business.
The entire idea of government facilities being restricted needs to be turned on its head. For any facility to be "gun free" - make a specific case for that specific facility. No blanket policies. I can go to the Mt. Rushmore monument and lawfully carry my concealed handgun. But I can't step into the gift shop or the rest room. HUH?
Which is logic and rationality that escapes most (if not all) of the destroyers and their minions. The mantra is, of course, that criminals use arms, hence arms are bad, thus everyone with arms is a threat. Fallacious on its face, as well as through-and-through. But they won't get it. (Not can't; won't.)
And the key, in a free republic of citizens: WE are the free state. WE must be vigilant to threats. Hard to do, if systematically stripped blind, by the hired help, while we're not looking.
You are absolutely correct. However our founding fathers found this so obvious that there was no mention of it in the Constitution. Some, with prescience knew that the great experiment needed to be protected from it's self and demanded that the B.O.R. be added as a condition of ratification. The B.O.R. specifically denies the govt. any authority to limit our unalienable rights and strictly limits it's powers, thereby guaranteeing the security of a free state.
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