Why the War in Iraq is Important to Freedom
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(About the Writer: Raymond Kraft is a lawyer ...
March 23rd, 2005 09:26 PM
Why the War in Iraq is Important to Freedom
Should be required reading by all Americans, please pass it on to all the Patriots you know.
(About the Writer: Raymond Kraft is a lawyer and writer living and working in Northern California.*
Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat, and had sunk more than four hundred British ships in their convoys between England and America for food and war materials.*
Bushido Japan had overrun most of Asia, beginning in 1928, killing millions of civilians throughout China, and impressing millions more as slave labor.*
The United States was in an isolationist and pacifist mood, and most Americans and Congress wanted nothing to do with the European war, or the Asian war.*
Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage Congress unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on Germany, which had not attacked us.*
It was a dicey thing.* We had few allies.*
France was not an ally, for the Vichy government of France aligned with its German occupiers.* Germany was not an ally, for it was an enemy, and Hitler intended to set up a Thousand-Year Reich in Europe.* Japan was not an ally, for it was intent on owning and controlling all of Asia.* Japan and Germany had long-term ideas of invading Canada and Mexico, and then the United States over the north and south borders, after they had settled control of Asia and Europe.*
America's allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia, and Russia, and that was about it.* There were no other countries of any size or military significance with the will and ability to contribute much of anything to the effort to defeat Hitler's Germany and Japan, and prevent the global dominance of Nazism.* And we had to send millions of tons of arms, munitions, and war supplies to Russia, England, and the Canadians, Aussies, Irish, and Scots, because none of them could produce all they needed for themselves.*
All of Europe, from Norway to Italy, except Russia in the east, was already under the Nazi heel.*
America was not prepared for war.* America had stood down most of its military after World War I and throughout the depression.* At the outbreak of World War II there were army soldiers training with broomsticks over their shoulders because they didn't have guns, and using cars with ''tank'' painted on the doors because they didn't have tanks.* And a big chunk of our navy had just been sunk and damaged at Pearl Harbor.*
Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600m given by Belgium to England to carry on the war when Belgium was overrun by Hitler.* Actually, Belgium surrendered one day, because it was unable to oppose the German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next day anyway, just to prove they could.* Britain had been holding out for two years already in the face of staggering shipping loses and the near-decimation of its air force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later and turning his attention to Russia, at a time when England was on the verge of collapse in the late summer of 1940.*
Russia saved America's rear by putting up a desperate fight for two years until the United States got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany.* Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of Stalingrad and Moscow (actually, it is estimated at about 22 million overall for the entire war), 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a million soldiers.* More than a million!* Had Russia surrendered, then, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire campaign against the Brits, then America, and the Nazis would have won that war.*
Had Hitler not made that mistake and invaded England in 1940 or 1941, instead, there would have been no England for the United States and the Brits to use as a staging ground to prepare an assault on Nazi Europe.* England would not have been able to run its North African campaign to help take a little pressure off Russia while America geared up for battle, and today Europe would very probably be run by the Nazis, the Third Reich, and, isolated and without any allies (not even the Brits).* The United States would very likely have had to cede Asia to the Japanese, who were basically Nazis by another name then, and the world we live in today would be very different and much worse.*
I say this to illustrate that turning points in history are often dicey things.* And we are now at another one.*
There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has or wants to have, and may soon have the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world, unless it is prevented from doing so.*
France, Germany, and Russia, have been selling these Islamic nations weapons technology at least as recently as 2002, as have North Korea, Syria, and Pakistan, paid for with billions of dollars that Saddam Hussein skimmed from the "Oil For Food" program administered by the United Nations with the complicity of Kofi Annan and his son.*
The Jihadis, or the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs.* They believe that Islam, a radically conservative (definitely not liberal) form of Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe and then the world.* All who do not bow to Allah should be killed, enslaved, or subjugated.* They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, and purge the world of Jews.* This is what they say.*
There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East for the most part not a hot war, but a war of ideas.* Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation today, but it is not yet known which will win the Inquisition, or the Reformation.*
If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, or the Jihadis, will control the Middle East, and the OPEC oil, and the United States, European, and Asian economies the techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC.* This is not an OPEC dominated by the well educated and rational Saudis of today, but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis.*
You want gas in your car?* You want heating oil next winter?* You want jobs?* You want the dollar to be worth anything?* You better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.*
If the Reformation movement wins, that is the moderate Muslims who believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions and live in peace with the rest of the world, move out of the 10th Century into the 21st Century.* Then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade away, and a moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge.*
We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda, the Islamic terrorist movements.*
We have to do it somewhere, we cannot do it just anywhere and we cannot do it everywhere at once.*
We have created a focal point for the battle now at the time and place of our choosing, in Iraq.* Not in New York, not in London, or Paris, or Berlin, but in Iraq, where we did and are doing two very important things:
(1)* We deposed Saddam Hussein and whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in 9/11 or not the issue.* It is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades, Saddam is a terrorist.* Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, which is responsible for the deaths of probably more than a million Iraqis and two million Iranians.*
(2)* We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism in Iraq and we have focused the battle.* We are killing bad guys there, and the ones we get there we won't have to get here, or anywhere else.* We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed.*
The Euros could have done this, but they didn't, and they won't.* We now know that rather than opposing the rise of the Jihad, the French, Germans, and Russians were selling them arms.* We have found more than a million tons of weapons and munitions in Iraq.* If Iraq was not a threat to anyone, why did Saddam need a million tons of weapons?*
Additionally, Iraq was paying for French, German, and Russian arms with money skimmed from the United Nations Oil for Food Program (supervised by U.N.* Secretary General Kofi Annan and his son) that was supposed to pay for food, medicine, and education, for Iraqi children.*
World War II, the war with the German and Japanese Nazis, really began with a ''whimper'' in 1928.* It did not begin with Pearl Harbor.* It began with the Japanese invasion of China.* It was at war for fourteen years before America joined in it.* It officially ended in 1945 a 17 year war and was followed by another decade of United States occupation in Germany and Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on their own again a 27-year war.* World War II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full year's GNP adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion dollars.* World War II cost America more than 400,000 killed in action, and nearly 100,000 are still missing in action.*
The Iraq war has so far cost the United States about $120 billion, which is roughly what 9/11 cost New York.* It has also cost about 1,000 American lives, which is roughly 1/3 of the 3,000 lives that the Jihad snuffed on 9/11.*
But the cost of not fighting and winning World War II would have been unimaginably greater, a world that would now be dominated by German and Japanese Nazism.*
Americans have a short attention span, now, conditioned I suppose by 30 minute television shows and 2 hour movies in which everything comes out okay.* The real world is not like that.* It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly.* It always has been, and probably always will be.*
If we do this thing in Iraq successfully, it is probable that the Reformation will ultimately prevail.* Many Muslims in the Middle East hope it will.* We will be there to support it.* It has begun in some countries, Libya, for instance also Dubai and Saudi Arabia.* If we fail, the Inquisition will probably prevail, and terrorism from Islam will be with us for all the foreseeable future, because the people of the Inquisition, or Jihad, believe that they are called by Allah to kill all the Infidels, and that death in Jihad is glorious.*
The bottom line here is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism until we defeat it, whenever that is.* It will not go away on its own.* It will not go away if we ignore it.*
If the United States can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq, then we have an ''England'' in the Middle East, a platform from which we can work to help modernize and moderate the Middle East.* The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates.* The Iraq war is merely another battle in this ancient and never-ending war.* And now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons unless we or somebody does prevent them.*
The Iraq war is expensive, and uncertain, yes.* But the consequences of not fighting it and winning it will be horrifically greater.* We have four options:
(1) We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.*
(2) We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as early as next year, if Iran's progress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it is).*
(3) We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle East, now, in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in America.*
(4) Or we can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated France and Germany and maybe most of the rest of Europe.* It will be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier then.*
Yes, the Jihadis say that they look forward to an Islamic America.* If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today.*
We can be defeatist, as many Democrats and liberals, peace activists, and anti-war types seem to be, and concede or surrender to the Jihad or we can do whatever it takes to win this war against them.*
The history of the world is the history of civil clashes, or cultural clashes.* All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like and the most determined always win.* Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win.* The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.*
In the 20th Century it was western democracy vs. communism, and before that western democracy vs. Nazism, and before that Western democracy vs. German imperialism.* Western democracy won, three times, but it wasn't cheap, fun, nice, easy, or quick.* Indeed, the wars against German Imperialism (World War I), Nazi Imperialism (World War II), and communist imperialism (the 40-year Cold War that included the Vietnam Battle, commonly called the Vietnam War, but itself a major battle in a larger war) covered almost the entire century.*
The first major war of the 21st Century is the war between Western Judeo/Christian Civilization and Wahhabi Islam.* It may last a few more years, or most of this century.* It will last until the Wahhabi branch of Islam fades away, or gives up its ambitions for regional and global dominance and Jihad, or until Western Civilization gives in to the Jihad.*
Remember, perspective is everything, and America's schools teach too little history.* The Cold War lasted from about 1947 to 1989 at least until the Berlin Wall came down in 1989.* Forty-two years.* Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany.* World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation and the United States still has troops in Germany and Japan.* World War II resulted in the death of more than 50 million people, maybe more than 100 million people, depending on which estimates you accept.* The United States has taken a little more than 1,000 Killed-in-Action (KIA) in Iraq.* The United States took more than 4,000 KIA on the morning of June 6, 1944, the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism.* In World War II the United States averaged 2,000 KIA a week for four years.* Most of the individual battles of World War II lost more Americans than the entire Iraq war has done so far.*
But the stakes are at least as high: a world dominated by representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms--or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, and by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia.*
I do not understand why many Americans do not grasp this.* Too much television I guess.*
Many Americans profess to be in favor of human rights, civil rights, liberty, freedom, and all that.* But not for Iraqis, I guess.* In America, but nowhere else.* The 300,000 Iraqi bodies in mass graves in Iraq, not our problem.* The United States population is about twelve times that of Iraq, so let's multiply 300,000 by twelve.* What would you think if there were 3,600,000 American bodies in mass graves in America because of our president?* Would you not want another country to help liberate America?*
''Peace Activists'' always seem to demonstrate where it's safe and ineffective to do so: in America.* Why don't we see peace activists demonstrating in Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, and North Korea; in the places in the world that really need peace activism the most?*
Are we not supposed to be in favor of human rights, civil rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc?* Well, if the Jihad wins and wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc.* Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their own worst enemy.* If the Jihad wins, it is the death of ALL OTHER "ISMS"!*
Too many Americans JUST DON'T GET IT!*
Former Army Infantry Captain; 25 yrs as an NRA Certified Instructor; NRA Endowment Life; Avid practitioner of the martial art: KLIK-PAO.
March 24th, 2005 01:05 AM
To me, it's even simpler than that.
I am not ready for gas to be $7.50 a gallon.
Imagine the Rodney King verdict riots going down across the country... everywhere.
Google the term Peak Oil sometimes. Gas is food, gas is industry, gas is our lives.
The people that chant that "No war for oil" crap need to understand that it's not ethical to allow someone like Hussein to be in charge of a resource we need. It could cost untold lives.
March 24th, 2005 05:15 AM
Oil is money,
Money is power. If the criminal clerics get their hands on enough money, they will use it to place WMD in the US and Israel. Each month, Saddam was making a BILLION dollars despite sanctions. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, so goes a saying in the middle east. We are establishing democratic rule and voting rights in the criminal cleric's backyards. They're running scared. If we're successful, their Islamic revolution will be over.
The alternative is too terrible to contemplate.
I can understand Europeans using this war as an excuse to make inroads in the world markets. But I can't understand Democrats using it as a political tool to try and retake power. If you support the troops, you must not embolden our enemies by attacking their mission.
Go W! Go troops! :unitedsta I thank them for doing all they can to keep a nuclear or chemical attack from killing millions of Americans.
March 25th, 2005 03:31 PM
All these are great and valid points. However my long-standing support for the war in Iraq was originally based on even simpler factors:
1991 cease-fire: Saddam agrees to PROVE to the world that he is disarming.
1994: Saddam expels weapons inspectors. Cease-fire violated. WAR BACK ON.
1993: Iraqi-backed agents attempt to assassinate George H.W. Bush soon after he leaves office.
State-sanctioned assassination attempt of a political figure = Act of War = WAR BACK ON
1991-2003: Iraqi AA and SAM batteries regularly track and fire upon U.S. and British aircraft patrolling the No-Fly Zones which Iraq agreed to in the 1991 cease-fire = violation of 1991 cease-fire AND an Act of War = WAR BACK ON.
Simple logic if you ask me. The problem was that from 1992-2001 the U.S. was hampered by a President and her husband and administration who were either too blind to see these events for what they were, or (more likely) lacked the backbone to do anything about it, instead preferring to push their socialist agendas domestically.
"Terrorists don't seem to be too afraid of stern language. But I do notice, that while the fear of death does not seem to deter these people, the fact of BEING dead does significantly decrease their operational effectiveness. "
- Bill Whittle
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