Dragon Skin Truth or Media convenience ?

Dragon Skin Truth or Media convenience ?

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    Dragon Skin Truth or Media convenience ?

    Soldiers have been asked to shed their Pinnacle Armor "Dragon Skin" and much to the MSM media hype NBC news aired their "Personally biased product liberal excrement to the contrary of the truth"

    Pinnacle Body Armor has made claims that thier body armor was superior to the "Interceptor" body armor that the soldiers are now being issued. Interceptor body armor has in fact passed the military's protocol for testing penetration tests in all protocol such as extreme heat and extreme cold through the ESAPI test protocols.

    NBC in their never ending questo to punish the current administration and it's handling of the "Body Armor" issue ran their biased piece on television last night.

    Here's the truth. Written by a vetted member of the U.S. Army Special Forces who goes by the handle of "The Reaper" on Professionalsoldiers.com He is one of the finest Special Forces Officers with the USASFC with unquestionable charachter. He speaks the truth. I highly recommend that you read this thread at Professionalsoldiers.com It is long, but you'll be enlightened if you have had any questions or conerns for loved ones serving in Iraq or Afghan that are wearing body armor.

    HERE:

    http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...686#post168686
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    VERY interesting read!!!!! Thanks for posting that! I too recall hearing about this stuff. I'm always dubious of replacement body armors. I usually fall into the catagory of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Thankfully, I've never had to rely on it though, so I'll better speculation to those who it matters most to.
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    Have read this before. Seems DS armor is not ready for use. Glad NBC can spin a tale as good as any other network though. Wonder how often the media bothers to get the facts right, or at least present both sides without much bias.
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    No one I know wears DS, and I know a LOT of people who wear Level IV Armor...that says a lot in my book.
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    When the manufacturer is ready to personally do a live-fire demonstration, then I will be impressed.
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    Has anyone read these tests done on another forum?

    http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...=001286#000000
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    WOW! I saw this stuff on a show called "Future Weapons" and it looked like the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    I guess this goes to show that you can't believe everything you hear or see on TV. What crok.
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    Those are bogus and done by a Navy Dentist

    Quote Originally Posted by Texian View Post
    Has anyone read these tests done on another forum?

    http://www.tacticalforums.com/cgi-bi...=001286#000000
    It's interesting that you posted a link to Tactical Forums regarding this matter. the person posting the thread is "DocGKR" a Navy Dentist with little or no credentials in the body armor business.

    What are his motives ? and why is a dentist conducting tests that are not ESAPI protocol ? And why is a Navy Reservist "Dentist" given so much credit to this issue ?

    DocGKR is also a member at Professionalsoldiers.com The link I provided. All members are vetted Special Forces and or Former Special Forces and Airborne Rangers and Airborne personell, the rest are guests with the title of "Assets" under the handle name.

    DocGKR has yet to speak up on our site. Why is this ?

    He get's away with it at Tactical Forums. com because he can, not because he has actually followed ESAPI protocols. In fact, I'm surprised that the vetted SOF personell on Tactical Forums(to which there are very few0.com have not put a stop his biased reporting.

    If you bother to read "The Reapers" entire thread you'd see DocGKR name brought up quite a bit and it aint friendly. "DDS" is for "Dentist" and DocGKR is a Navy DDS. What exactly are his credentials in the body armor development business and procurement ? Is he being paid by Pinnacle Armor ? and what does the Navy think of him being paid for this ?

    I believe the truth is stated on Professionalsoldiers.com by "The Reaper" I know him personally and you will not find a finer Officer in the Army Special Forces. He is of unquestionable charachter and he has no PROFIT MOTIVE in his writings or his personal assesment of the Pinnacle Dragon Skin.

    In fact, if it did meet the ESAPI protocols, he'd be the first to insist that his men and rest of the ground forces were given the opportunity to wear DS down range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skygod View Post
    It's interesting that you posted a link to Tactical Forums regarding this matter. the person posting the thread is "DocGKR" a Navy Dentist with little or no credentials in the body armor business.

    What are his motives ? and why is a dentist conducting tests that are not ESAPI protocol ? And why is a Navy Reservist "Dentist" given so much credit to this issue ?

    DocGKR is also a member at Professionalsoldiers.com The link I provided. All members are vetted Special Forces and or Former Special Forces and Airborne Rangers and Airborne personell, the rest are guests with the title of "Assets" under the handle name.

    DocGKR has yet to speak up on our site. Why is this ?

    He get's away with it at Tactical Forums. com because he can, not because he has actually followed ESAPI protocols. In fact, I'm surprised that the vetted SOF personell on Tactical Forums(to which there are very few0.com have not put a stop his biased reporting.

    If you bother to read "The Reapers" entire thread you'd see DocGKR name brought up quite a bit and it aint friendly. "DDS" is for "Dentist" and DocGKR is a Navy DDS. What exactly are his credentials in the body armor development business and procurement ? Is he being paid by Pinnacle Armor ? and what does the Navy think of him being paid for this ?

    I believe the truth is stated on Professionalsoldiers.com by "The Reaper" I know him personally and you will not find a finer Officer in the Army Special Forces. He is of unquestionable charachter and he has no PROFIT MOTIVE in his writings or his personal assesment of the Pinnacle Dragon Skin.

    In fact, if it did meet the ESAPI protocols, he'd be the first to insist that his men and rest of the ground forces were given the opportunity to wear DS down range.
    I am properly chastised for not having carefully read "The Reaper's" entire post. At the time I did not care to change my browser preferences so that I could read this very long and difficult to read post (dark background and very small font). I quit reading before I got to the mention of Roberts. I had previously read DocGKR's post and the NBC news story on the web.

    You would be better served, I believe, to abandon personal attacks ("Is he being paid by Pinnacle Armor ?") and rely on an appeal to reason and truth. Not bearing a formal seal of approval does not necessarily indicate a faulty conclusion, however, in this case, you seem to have shown that the testing methods of NBC and Dr. Roberts are certainly questionable. Your appeal to the character and credibility of your good friend is admirable but hardly proof of his inerrancy.

    Someone has wisely said, "Truth never fears a challenge." If everyone who is charged with the safety of our warriors will demand nothing less than objectivity and truth when equipping them for battle, they will have succeeded in giving them their best.

    When I posted I simply wanted to be better informed. Thank you for your fervor and advocacy for our military. Never be afraid to question anything.
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    There must be some bad info out there then. I heard on the radio while driving to/from (can't remember) work the other day that there was a report that had surfaced that the current armour had actually failed some critical tests and this had been covered up. I seem to remember that it was an Army source that had confirmed this. Not true?

    I remember the Dragon Scale being on FutureWeapons but don't think I got to watch the whole thing. It is a good idea at least, perhaps it won't translate to the real world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a_kayaker View Post
    WOW! I saw this stuff on a show called "Future Weapons" and it looked like the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    I guess this goes to show that you can't believe everything you hear or see on TV. What crok.
    Yeah I saw something similar a few weeks back...They had Gunny (the mailcall fame) doing live fire tests on it (a dummy wearing the DS). Seemed like it was stopping darn near everything. I wouldn't mind testing it myself if I could ever afford the stuff. I got no qualms about taking it out to the range and hittin it with everything I got concurrently just to see what exactly happens or ...doesn't happen.
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    It seems a common tactic now to politcaly attempt to market military equipment through shows like Future Weapons and Mail call. The market is huge and the losers sore when they can't get a peice of it. If you can't win through proper means, get politicians involved... Promote promote and promote... someone might just believe it.

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    Guys, our Sheriff's Dept. is assisting with tests today on the Pinnacle armor. Thus far, they have been VERY impressed. Will update when I get a report.
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    My post on this subject from another forum:

    Dragon Skin weights 20lbs MORE than the current issue armor. That in itself makes it unusable. only 1% of all Soldiers will be shot, but 100% WILL have to wear it everyday in 120*+ heat, plus the weight of all their other gear.

    There was body armor available in WWII, but it's effectiveness compared to weight and cost made it not worth issuing. Thus the standard issue "armor" was a OD green wool shirt. It sounds like DragonSkin is a similar situation.
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    "There was body armor available in WWII, but it's effectiveness compared to weight and cost made it not worth issuing. Thus the standard issue "armor" was a OD green wool shirt. It sounds like DragonSkin is a similar situation."

    Been there and have worn that old and heavy Army stuff. At the end of the day there is no doubt that the enemy is that heavy piece of trash that you are wearing.

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