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    LAW OF THE LAND
    Bush grants presidency extraordinary powers Directive for emergencies apparently gives authority without congressional oversight
    Posted: May 23, 2007
    1:00 a.m. Eastern

    © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

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    President Bush has signed a directive granting extraordinary powers to the office of the president in the event of a declared national emergency, apparently without congressional approval or oversight.

    The "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive" was signed May 9, notes Jerome R. Corsi in a WND column.

    It was issued with the dual designation of NSPD-51, as a National Security Presidential Directive, and HSPD-20, as a Homeland Security Presidential Directive.

    The directive establishes under the office of the president a new national continuity coordinator whose job is to make plans for "National Essential Functions" of all federal, state, local, territorial and tribal governments, as well as private sector organizations to continue functioning under the president's directives in the event of a national emergency.

    "Catastrophic emergency" is loosely defined as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."

    Corsi says the president can assume the power to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.

    The directive says the assistant to the president for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, currently Frances Fragos Townsend, would be designated as the national continuity coordinator.

    Corsi says the directive makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created for the national continuity coordinator with the National Emergency Act, which requires that such proclamation "shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register."

    A Congressional Research Service study notes the National Emergency Act sets up Congress as a balance empowered to "modify, rescind, or render dormant" such emergency authority if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.

    But the new directive appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of national continuity coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position, Corsi says.

    The directive also makes no reference to Congress and its language appears to negate any requirement that the president submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists.

    It suggests instead that the powers of the directive can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.

    Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke affirmed to Corsi the Homeland Security Department would implement the requirements of the order under Townsend's direction.

    The White House declined to comment on the directive.

    ExSoldier's Note: Clinton did exactly the same thing when he tied together a series of EO's that began with Kennedy and continued along during the cold war that eventually morphed into the WOT. Everybody thought Clinton had done this in anticipation of a Y2K meltdown that would effectively make him KING. Wanna read something scary? Do a search for this title:

    "FEMA: The Dark Underbelly"

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    No doubt about it. Everything ties back to Bill Clinton . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodc13 View Post
    No doubt about it. Everything ties back to Bill Clinton . . .
    Clinton was an important piece of the puzzle but not the origins by any means. Bush #41 was as an important player as Clinton and actually started the work that Clinton pushed further along. But it all dates back to Woodrow Wilson and "The Mysterious Edward Mandell House (COL, USA)" who was far closer as an advisor to a sitting US President than any other individual in HISTORY and this by that President's own admission! I guess though, the trail of the Executive Orders as a mechanism to control the country outside of the oversight of the Constitution...this started with John F. Kennedy.
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    Just more preparation for the "legal" takeover and end of the U.S.A. as we know it when the SHTF.

    Its just a matter of time.

    Glad you posted this Ex. I saw it an thought about it but you beat me to it.
    I want to have a job where the is no accountability,a job where I can do as I dang well please and make my own laws and act like a KING. I want to be on the Supreme Court.


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    Corsi says the president can assume the power to direct any and all government and business activities until the emergency is declared over.
    then this...
    The directive also makes no reference to Congress and its language appears to negate any requirement that the president submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists.

    It suggests instead that the powers of the directive can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.
    How convenient. Since Congress has no approval or oversight, who's gonna determine when the "emergency" is over ?
    I want to have a job where the is no accountability,a job where I can do as I dang well please and make my own laws and act like a KING. I want to be on the Supreme Court.


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    Actually...

    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    then this...


    How convenient. Since Congress has no approval or oversight, who's gonna determine when the "emergency" is over ?
    This country has been operating under a continual State of Emergency since the CARTER era and it's been annually renewed by every President since. All that is needed is a TRIGGER EVENT.

    I think it was almost tripped by the LA riots due to the beating of Rodney king back in the early 90's. As the violence began to spread or appeared to spread the military was dispatched to various jump-off (staging areas) points. I think they were ready to move. Had it blown up in a big way, we might still be contending with KING CLINTON with the USA divided into several regions each under the control of a military governor. Just as what happened in the south in 1865 under the Radical Republicans who wanted to punish the south for starting the war. That's why the majority of southerners to day are registered Democrats, even though they may vote Republican.
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    Hmmm I am reading the text of NSPD-51 and also says:

    "Enduring Constitutional Government," or "ECG," means a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the Nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability and support of the National Essential Functions during a catastrophic emergency;
    (5) The following NEFs are the foundation for all continuity programs and capabilities and represent the overarching responsibilities of the Federal Government to lead and sustain the Nation during a crisis, and therefore sustaining the following NEFs shall be the primary focus of the Federal Government leadership during and in the aftermath of an emergency that adversely affects the performance of Government Functions:


    (a) Ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three separate branches of government;

    (b) Providing leadership visible to the Nation and the world and maintaining the trust and confidence of the American people;

    (c) Defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and preventing or interdicting attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;

    (d) Maintaining and fostering effective relationships with foreign nations;

    (e) Protecting against threats to the homeland and bringing to justice perpetrators of crimes or attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;

    (f) Providing rapid and effective response to and recovery from the domestic consequences of an attack or other incident;

    (g) Protecting and stabilizing the Nation's economy and ensuring public confidence in its financial systems; and

    (h) Providing for critical Federal Government services that address the national health, safety, and welfare needs of the United States
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    Interesting. I'll do some reading later tonight.
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    And that Warren G. Harding. He was really sinister . . .
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    Guess who started turning FEMA from an agency whose primary goal was to take care of natural disasters into a shadow government that is responsible for maintaining power and infrastructure? That would be OLLIE NORTH. With this in mind, is it any wonder that KATRINA response was so badly fumbled? That's not the job of FEMA. Not the primary job, anyway.

    Here are some of the EO's that Clinton strung together but preceded his Administration. He got them all put into a single order that allows for a trigger event to supercede the US Constitution:

    Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 ( 27 F.R. 1527 ) allows Secretary of Transportation to take over ALL modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. It also gives the Secretary of Commerce full control of the production and distribution of ALL construction materials, gas, oil, and power as well as ALL civilian, private aviation facilities, highways and seaports.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 ( 27 F.R. 1519 ) allows the government to seize and control the communication media. It establishes the Telecommunications Management Agency that provides for the "takeover" of ALL communications media in the United States. This includes broadcast and cable television, ALL radio stations, ALL satelite earth stations and satelites and ALL telephone companies and telephone systems in the United States.


    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 ( 27 F.R. 1522 ) allows the government to take over ALL electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. In other words, ALL sources of energy.


    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 ( 27 F.R. 1524 ) allows the Secretary of Agriculture to take over ALL food resources and farms and farm equipment. This means that all privately owned farmland and food resources will be commandeered by the Federal Government, together with all farm implements and equipment used to work this land. ALL will become the properety of the Federal Government.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 ( 27 F.R. 1532 ) allows the Secretary of Labor to "mobilize" civilians into work brigades under government supervision. That’s right, every working American will be under the direct supervision of the Federal Government. Where you work now or want to work in the future is not a consideration. You will be required to work where you are told to work. Have you ever considered the term "slave labor"?

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 ( 27 F.R. 1534 ) allows the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare to control ALL health services, doctors, hospitals, etc., ALL welfare services and All educational programs and facilities, public and private.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 ( 27 F.R. 1539 ) designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of ALL persons in the United States. This will account for every American, his or her location and "status".

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 ( 27 F.R. 1540 ) empowers the Federal Aviation Administration to take over ALL airports and commandeer ALL aircraft, including private and commercial aircraft.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 ( 27 F.R. 1542 ) establishes the authority for the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) to take control of ALL housing, lodging and community facilities in the United States. This means the relocation, to a place of the government’s choosing, of any part of the population they choose to move. In other words, it doesn’t matter where you live now or what property you own, it will become the property of the government and THE GOVERNMENT WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO LIVE. It will relocate entire communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 ( 27 F.R. 1544 ) empowers the Interstate Commerce Commission to take over ALL railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 ( 27 F.R. 1688 ) specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international or domestic tensions and economic or financial crisis.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 ( 32 F.R. 12877 ) directs the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in All Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate ALL penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 ( 34 F.R. 17567 ) authored by Richard Nixon consolidates all previous Executive Orders into one act of law.a View the Nixon Document. It also gave the Department of Justice the power to control "alien enemies" and all "other aliens" and to provide for their location, relocation, restraint and/or custody. It also provides the power to seize ALL property of the alien enemies and "other aliens". No definition of terms was given to know who "alien enemies" or "other aliens" are. It is left to the discretion of the Department of Justice! It allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of ALL energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It makes mandatory the confiscation and control of ALL monetary items and the entire financial structure and assets of the United States of America, public, private and institutional by the Secretary of the Treasury. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

    And last but not least, on 20 July 1979 "You Can Trust Me" President Jimmy Carter authored Executive Order 12148 ( 44 F.R. 43239 ) which completes the plan for the COMPLETE DICTATORSHIP RULE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. In this E.O. President Carter places the powers previously given to separate agencies or departments/administrations under the SOLE CONTROL of FEMA - the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He also "handed off" to FEMA many powers previously held ONLY BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA such as FULL CONTROL OF THE MILITARY FORCES. Yes, FEMA can now assume the powers and duties of the President, in violation of the Constitution of the United States of America. All that is needed to implement these controls is the declaration of a national emergency by any President. Neither Congress, previous Presidents nor the courts have ever rendered a definition of a "National Emergency"!

    The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA’s Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA’s role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis."

    FEMA’s powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate:

    The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities; the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy; the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national.

    These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

    FEMA’s deceptive role really did not come to light with much of the public until Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. As Russell R. Dynes, director of the Disaster Research Center of the University of Delaware, wrote in The World and I, "...The eye of the political storm hovered over the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA became a convenient target for criticism." Because FEMA was accused of dropping the ball in Florida, the media and Congress commenced to study this agency. What came out of the critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black operations" than for disaster relief. It spent $4.3 billion building secret bunkers throughout the United States in anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval. Fewer than 20 members of Congress, only members with top security clearance, know of the $4.3 billion expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few Congressional leaders state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA had worked on National Security programs since 1979, and its predecessor, the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency, had secretly spent billions of dollars before being merged into FEMA by President Carter in 1979.

    FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are capable of sustaining themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the United States. They have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator that would provide power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster relief.

    FEMA’s enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of domestic or foreign problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be enacted. The President of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law, which activates FEMA’s extra-ordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of increased tension overseas, economic problems within the United States, such as a depression, civil unrest, demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug crisis. These Presidential powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the 1991 and 1994 Crime Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under the Constitution and to seize property from those suspected of being drug dealers and to individuals who participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency plans already in existence, the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns of government to FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local governments. FEMA then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there is reasonable ground to believe...will engage in, or probably conspire with others to engage in acts of espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of concentration camps for detaining the accused, but no trial.
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    Ex, with all due respect. You can't have it both ways. Either FEMA is the biggest conspiracy to convert us in subjects or the biggest collection of clowns and bunglers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    Ex, with all due respect. You can't have it both ways. Either FEMA is the biggest conspiracy to convert us in subjects or the biggest collection of clowns and bunglers.
    Of course I can and the proof of the former is found in the failures of the storms. Middle management is probably concerned with the Katrina scenarios, but the guys at the top are well aware of the real mission. Flunkies on the bottom are never in the loop.
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    Holy molie. That stuff will definately come in handy when Queen Hillary sets up her dynasty in '08.

    Your making me paranoid Ex. Do Zombie attacks count as a state of emergency?

    I had heard of the FEMA stuff before, I heard that most schools which are built with the help of Fed funds can be turned into containment facilities in short order. Security systems, fences, and food prep facilities are already in place to "take care" of any detainees.

    Of course they won't be able to have any armed guards, since it's a "gun free zone."
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    Get out the aluminum foil for your ball caps . . .
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    this is some scary stuff when you start to realize that this could happen at any time.
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