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    If Martial Law was declared in the US don't you think that the Nat Guard & whatever troops were used to enforce the Martial Law Declaration would be under strict Presidential orders to use utmost and extreme restraint?
    An Example: Look at the fantastic restraint that are troops are using right now in Iraq concerning how the Iraqi citizens are being treated. Our troops are really being super careful not to injure any non violent Iraqi citizens.
    Just my opinion that I think our troops would be very reluctant to actually fire upon fellow American Citizens.
    Let's just use as an actual example a serious Chernobyl type nuclear disaster where folks maybe needed to be off the streets and act in an orderly fashion to get rations of clean water & food & whatever.
    I am guessing that every possible non~lethal method would be used to restore order before any soldier fired his weapon....even if people really started spazzing out.
    The political repercussions would be mightly terrible if our guys started mowing down our own people. What do you think?
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    I don't want to go all tinfoil here either or turn this into any sort of anti-government rant. But do y'all just KNOW the extent of the POWER that is already gathered in the organization known as FEMA? Forget the Patriot Act! Worry about the Executive Orders. The following is a long read, but it is worth it. Please, don't anybody respond with Rambo scenarios.

    Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the hundreds of billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, more power than "the people", it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution.

    Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. It is not the U.S. military nor the Central Intelligence Agency. These organizations are subject to the control of Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations.

    FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to ensure the survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this nation. It was also provided with the task of being a federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. It’s awesome powers grew under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America’s savings and loan institutions. FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas.

    THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES

    Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United States, few people know it even exists. FEMA has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage papers contain FEMA’s name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain. FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the United States, but mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado, are flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it works in conjunction with the Sixth Army.
    FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Register. Congress is by-passed.

    Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA had spent only about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies while the bulk of their funding had been used for the construction of ground facilities to ensure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

    Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.

    Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 ( 27 F.R. 1527 ) allows Secretary of Transportation to take over ALL modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. It also gives the Secretary of Commerce full control of the production and distribution of ALL construction materials, gas, oil, and power as well as ALL civilian, private aviation facilities, highways and seaports.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 ( 27 F.R. 1519 ) allows the government to seize and control the communication media. It establishes the Telecommunications Management Agency that provides for the "takeover" of ALL communications media in the United States. This includes broadcast and cable television, ALL radio stations, ALL satelite earth stations and satelites and ALL telephone companies and telephone systems in the United States.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 ( 27 F.R. 1522 ) allows the government to take over ALL electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. In other words, ALL sources of energy.


    EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 ( 27 F.R. 1524 ) allows the Secretary of Agriculture to take over ALL food resources and farms and farm equipment. This means that all privately owned farmland and food resources will be commandeered by the Federal Government, together with all farm implements and equipment used to work this land. ALL will become the properety of the Federal Government.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 ( 27 F.R. 1532 ) allows the Secretary of Labor to "mobilize" civilians into work brigades under government supervision. That’s right, every working American will be under the direct supervision of the Federal Government. Where you work now or want to work in the future is not a consideration. You will be required to work where you are told to work. Have you ever considered the term "slave labor"?

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 ( 27 F.R. 1534 ) allows the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare to control ALL health services, doctors, hospitals, etc., ALL welfare services and All educational programs and facilities, public and private.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 ( 27 F.R. 1539 ) designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of ALL persons in the United States. This will account for every American, his or her location and "status".

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 ( 27 F.R. 1540 ) empowers the Federal Aviation Administration to take over ALL airports and commandeer ALL aircraft, including private and commercial aircraft.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 ( 27 F.R. 1542 ) establishes the authority for the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) to take control of ALL housing, lodging and community facilities in the United States. This means the relocation, to a place of the government’s choosing, of any part of the population they choose to move. In other words, it doesn’t matter where you live now or what property you own, it will become the property of the government and THE GOVERNMENT WILL TELL YOU WHERE TO LIVE. It will relocate entire communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 ( 27 F.R. 1544 ) empowers the Interstate Commerce Commission to take over ALL railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 ( 27 F.R. 1688 ) specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international or domestic tensions and economic or financial crisis.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 ( 32 F.R. 12877 ) directs the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in All Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate ALL penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

    EXECUTIVE ORDER 11490 ( 34 F.R. 17567 ) authored by Richard Nixon consolidates all previous Executive Orders into one act of law.a View the Nixon Document. It also gave the Department of Justice the power to control "alien enemies" and all "other aliens" and to provide for their location, relocation, restraint and/or custody. It also provides the power to seize ALL property of the alien enemies and "other aliens". No definition of terms was given to know who "alien enemies" or "other aliens" are. It is left to the discretion of the Department of Justice! It allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of ALL energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It makes mandatory the confiscation and control of ALL monetary items and the entire financial structure and assets of the United States of America, public, private and institutional by the Secretary of the Treasury. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

    And last but not least, on 20 July 1979 "You Can Trust Me" President Jimmy Carter authored Executive Order 12148 ( 44 F.R. 43239 ) which completes the plan for the COMPLETE DICTATORSHIP RULE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. In this E.O. President Carter places the powers previously given to separate agencies or departments/administrations under the SOLE CONTROL of FEMA - the Federal Emergency Management Agency. He also "handed off" to FEMA many powers previously held ONLY BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA such as FULL CONTROL OF THE MILITARY FORCES. Yes, FEMA can now assume the powers and duties of the President, in violation of the Constitution of the United States of America. All that is needed to implement these controls is the declaration of a national emergency by any President. Neither Congress, previous Presidents nor the courts have ever rendered a definition of a "National Emergency"!

    The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA’s Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA’s role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis."

    FEMA’s powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate:

    The National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities; the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy; the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national.

    These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

    FEMA’s deceptive role really did not come to light with much of the public until Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. As Russell R. Dynes, director of the Disaster Research Center of the University of Delaware, wrote in The World and I, "...The eye of the political storm hovered over the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA became a convenient target for criticism." Because FEMA was accused of dropping the ball in Florida, the media and Congress commenced to study this agency. What came out of the critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black operations" than for disaster relief. It spent $4.3 billion building secret bunkers throughout the United States in anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval. Fewer than 20 members of Congress, only members with top security clearance, know of the $4.3 billion expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few Congressional leaders state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA had worked on National Security programs since 1979, and its predecessor, the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency, had secretly spent billions of dollars before being merged into FEMA by President Carter in 1979.

    FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are capable of sustaining themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the United States. They have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator that would provide power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster relief.

    FEMA’s enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of domestic or foreign problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be enacted. The President of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law, which activates FEMA’s extra-ordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of increased tension overseas, economic problems within the United States, such as a depression, civil unrest, demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug crisis. These Presidential powers haveincreased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the 1991 and 1993 Crime Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under the Constitution and to seize property from those suspected of being drug dealers and to individuals who participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency plans already in existence, the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns of government to FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local governments. FEMA then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there is reasonable ground to believe...will engage in, or probably conspire with others to engage in acts of espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of concentration camps for detaining the accused, but no trial.
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    Yep - Ex - there is more than some are aware of.

    No way do I want to promote ''scare'', ''tinfoil'' or similar feelings but - there is more than meets the eye of ''Joe Average''. Certainly if ''push comes to shove''.

    QK - things would have to get real bad before we might worry about our guys having to fire on us - but there would be some considerable difference (IMO) between a Chernobyl type situation and a major terrorist type scenario. 9/11 again plus more.

    This is not down to what will happen - it is what might happen - with the potential powers that are there - buried but useable it seems. Worst case scenarios and all that.

    Anyways - don't want to seem a tinfoil freek but - there is more than some realize - potentially.
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