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    As I have often said, "The unloaded firearm will more likely kill you than a loaded one."

    This is another example. It is so sad because it could have so easily been avoided.
    I will support gun control when you can guarantee all guns are removed from this planet. That includes military and law enforcement. When you can accomplish that, then I will be the last person to lay down my gun. Then I will carry the weapon that replaces the gun.


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    So young. Unfamiliarity with the weapon, perhaps alcohol involved. Real waste. Probably a good kid, willing to fight the good fight, to hold the line. A stupid mistake and the price was paid. Life ain't fair.

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    Don't point a gun in an unsafe direction. This is rule one for handling guns. The training that this man received was inadequate. I received LEO training and this was the first thing I learned. All guns are treated as if loaded. There are many variations in making a gun safe but most remove the magazine then open the action to display an empty chamber or eject a cartridge, then you point the gun into a barrel full of sand or a safe direction and pull the trigger to release the hammer. If you get in the habit of doing this it helps. If you don't do this every time then you are not safe to handle guns. Keeping guns unloaded is a good idea but having to depend on that is a fallacy. Consider all guns loaded and treat them accordingly. There a blue fake guns for demonstrating such things as disarming an officer, use these.
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    I wonder how much a role the lack of gun awareness at a young age plays into these accidents. From what I hear most of California discourages gun ownership and it will be more common for people to enter the Police Forces with no or littlle firearms knowledge. This is a sad case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Yep. :(

    How many of us males as teens have injured ourselves, got our lip busted or eye bruised, or just barely cheated death due to trying ti show out for a piece of tail. Most every one of us, and those who haven't are liars.

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    He was 23, not a teenager, and 6 months out of the academy. I would imagine fire arm safety is repeatedly drilled into them. He should have known better. At least no one else was killed by his lack of common sense.

    I pray his family receives the strength to deal with this tragedy.

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    Sounds like the training that he received was either lacking or he was passed when he didn't need to be.

    We all know the basic rules.
    He didn't or if he did he chose to ignore them...meaning that the training wasn't "ingrained" in him as it should have been.

    He was not familiar enough with his weapon to understand that just dropping the magazine did NOT make an unloaded gun.

    That is a training issue and one that needs to be addressed immediately.

    Ignorance and the fact that he was acting the fool cost this young man his life. Even though the blame lies solely with him, if it were me I'd be taking a hard look at the training program that graduates recruits that did'nt know how to properly clear a gun.
    I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post

    The San Francisco rookie police officer who accidentally shot himself to death fired his weapon while displaying for a female friend how officers are taught to avoid having their guns used against them, law enforcement authorities said Tuesday.

    He explained that there are ways an officer can disable a weapon in close proximity to keep it from being fired.

    It apparently was part of a demonstration of the department's "weapons retention" procedures. However, there was still a bullet in the chamber.
    He explained that there are ways an officer can disable a weapon in close proxomity to keep it from being fired.

    It's probably better I be quiet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Even though the blame lies solely with him, if it were me I'd be taking a hard look at the training program that graduates recruits that did'nt know how to properly clear a gun.
    I'm starting to wonder if there's some sort of "No Cop Left Behind" act that we haven't heard about, with this following so closely on the heels of the Oklahoma tree-snake shooting.

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    This is a good example of why a simulation gun is so crucial when going through certain training.

    The local Sheriff's dept. has a "fight" room in which Simunitions and training weaponry are used in force-on-force engagements. Prior to anyone entering into the room, each person is screened, questioned, scanned and wanded. Everyone must empty their pockets. No keys, pencils, cell phones, guns, knives, crud from the pockets ... everything goes. Safety first. The last thing wanted is this sort of ND.
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    This isnt a training issue a cop issue or anything else. Mr. Gump explained it all... Stupid is as stupid does.
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    This isnt a training issue a cop issue or anything else. Mr. Gump explained it all... Stupid is as stupid does.
    Perhaps...

    but even a stupid man can be trained to properly clear a gun...
    I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    Perhaps...

    but even a stupid man can be trained to properly clear a gun...
    Yes, but a stupid man obviously doesnít do clear the weapon we he should!
    "Just blame Sixto"

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    showing off for a female is never safe, (you can almost bet that if your arn't physically injured, at the minimun your pride will be) and the chances that 'liquid courage' was involved are pretty high if you ask me, which makes the situation even more unsafe. Women+Weapons+Booze = never a good combonation... EVER! Althought this is strictly speculation, and at that this is a very sad story.
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    showing off for a female is never safe
    I dont know about that.

    There are times when it can be not only safe, but downright fun...
    I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.


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    Famous last words, "Hey guys, watch this."
    "When a man attempts to deal with me by force, I answer himóby force.
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