Mexican truckers in US?

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    They have no respect for US driving rules and many if not most don't even have license plates. They are beat up looking vehicles that don't follow US standards. Once in a blue moon DPS will set up checkpoints to inspect them. They are also well known for smuggling humans and dope. W/O inspections, I can see this only getting more frequent
    That's what I'm saying!
    How is this allowed to happen?
    And why aren't they being pulled off the road, fined and/or imprisoned for substandard, unlicensed trucks???
    And how can they NOT be inspected????????????????

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    Not only this...Mexico has bought property in Kansas City, Mo. which is considered Mexico now....not part of the U.S. KC has become a major part of this Mexican hub. I agree that we have been sold out on this one. World Net Daily.com has been doing articles on this for months. I have a friend who is a independent trucker, but is standing with the Teamsters on this. I think we all should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    Not only this...Mexico has bought property in Kansas City, Mo. which is considered Mexico now....not part of the U.S. KC has become a major part of this Mexican hub. I agree that we have been sold out on this one. World Net Daily.com has been doing articles on this for months. I have a friend who is a independent trucker, but is standing with the Teamsters on this. I think we all should.
    I do not believe this...where are the printed facts on this one? This cannot be true!
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    I do not believe this...where are the printed facts on this one? This cannot be true!
    Worldnetdaily has been promoting this North American Union conspiracy for a long time. The facts do not support the conspiracy theory. Some even claim that we a going to abandon the dollar for a new currency called the Amero. You can even find pictures of this fantasy currency and some pretend it is real.

    The North American Union has as much credibility as the 9/11 conspiracy theories. The take a few facts, twist them to match the theory and ignore evidence that demonstrates the theory is flawed.

    The Mexican truck drivers accessing our roads is part of the long ago ratified NAFTA agreement. Of ocurse, this is as unacceptable now as it was when NAFTA was ratified. I'm afraid the uproar is fifteen years too late.

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    The facts do not support the conspiracy theory. Some even claim that we a going to abandon the dollar for a new currency called the Amero. You can even find pictures of this fantasy currency and some pretend it is real.

    The North American Union has as much credibility as the 9/11 conspiracy theories. The take a few facts, twist them to match the theory and ignore evidence that demonstrates the theory is flawed.
    I really, REALLY hope you are right SD!
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    incredible,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by wmhawth View Post
    According to this article the Bush administration is fighting a legal challenge from the Teamsters Union and the Sierra Club over this matter. I just don't get it.
    What's not to get? The Bush Administration is not interested in national sovereignty, individual liberties, or anything not related to cronyism and corporate profits. This should be obvious by now. Look at the things he's done with regard to Mexico, and the things he's said. He's more interested in helping out Mexico than in his own country.

    If you (plural) want to fix this problem, you need to vote for Ron Paul in '08. The border needs to be closed, NAFTA needs to be repealed, the war needs to be ended, taxes need to be reduced, constitutional liberties need to be restored, the US needs to get out of foreign affairs, and power needs to be returned to the States.

    If you vote for any of the other morons running in '08 (Hilary, Obama, Guiliani, Romney, McCain, etc.), you're voting for more Big Government, more putting Mexico's interests over our own, more restrictions on liberties, more taxes, more deficit spending, and eventually (well within our lifetimes) economic and social upheaval you normally see on the news happening in some African country. As a nation, we're in a very precarious position, much more so than most people realize, and if we don't start making such bad choices at the polls, we're going to be in a world of hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DasBoot View Post
    ... not only are they allowed to come in WITHOUT their cargo being inspected, but they are allowd [sic] to carry dangerous goods as well.
    The problem isn't the Mexican origin. The problem is one thing, and one thing only: the acceptability of a non-inspection procedure for such inbound goods.
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    Since it is certain this thread is on the verge of being closed, I will add a hopefully positive note.

    No, the country is not in danger of being turned into a third world nation. We have a preeminent defense industry that ensures we will be the world's superpower and policeman for the foreseeable future. We have, by far, the best military in the world. Our economy is as strong as it has been in decades with more opportunities for more people than ever.

    Moreover, respect of our gun rights has improved. More states have CCW laws and more people are carrying firearms for their personal protection. Despite the periodic setbacks and continued pounding by the media we are making positive progress.

    And yes, if we help Mexico then we help ourselves. It is in our best interest that our southern neighbor prospers. Of course, without violating United States sovereignty or our laws. The whole Mexican truck issue is overblown and will help both Mexico and the United States. The cargo, trucks and drivers should be inspected and regulated.

    As I noted in another thread, the internet is a tool that is often used to inflame opinions and exaggerate situations. This is another example.

    We are actually living in the best times this country has ever seen. Can we improve? Of course. But I would never, ever choose to live in a different country than the United States of America. God Bless America.

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    Don't Blame this nonsense on Bush!!!

    It actually predates him; Blame the Clintons, who started the NAFTA thing going. NAFTA stands for:

    National American Free Trade Alliance

    Or in our laymans' English:

    National F*** the Americans TreAty!

    just ask any Texas cattle rancher what happened in South Texas when phase 1 of this agreement went into effect. The first phase started with Texas, and the Mexicans responded by flooding our cattle auctions with cattle, causing the prices brought at market to plummet. This put many South Texas cattle ranchers out of business or relegated them to being small players by the end of the 1990's.
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    But I would never, ever choose to live in a different country than the United States of America. God Bless America.
    You said it!
    I just see so many factions, including our very President, trying to dilute our laws and culture, I'm having a very difficult time being as calm about things as you are.
    Do you know something the rest of us don't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DasBoot View Post
    Do you know something the rest of us don't?
    Well, I'm 51 and was a kid during Vietnam and the hippy idiots. I was more politically aware during Watergate. Wage and price controls. The gas shortage, energy crisis, and unbelievable inflation/stagflation in the late '70s/early '80s. The Iran hostage situation, the Nicaragua war and the connection between the two. Panama, Grenada...Today doesn't seem too different if you look at the big picture.

    The fact is that we have necessarily been embroiled in unpopular foreign affairs, unpopular wars. We have always been a polarized nation. My study of history confirms that the current animosity between parties is not unprecedented nor is it unduly harsh. Hamilton and Burr had a deadly duel! Lincoln, considered one of the greatest presidents, suspended Habeus Corpus. That was not without incident and severe rhetoric. Roosevelt profiled and interned innocent Americans based on their ancestry. Can you imagine that happening today?

    And somehow, because of the Constitution, we stay strong as a nation. Can we fail as the experiment our Founders began? Certainly. And we should always protect our rights and strive to be the nation the Founders envisioned. Follow the Constitution as it was written. It is amazing that in comparison with the Founders, the current politicians from both parties seem like immature, uneducated children.

    It is my opinion we are slipping towards socialism and have been since the '30s. The government is too big, spends too much, creates disincentives, and eschews personal responsibility. But the Founders created a system that mandates government moves very slowly in everything they do. That is a good thing. We just need to continuously nudge it in the right direction. After all, we are the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    Since it is certain this thread is on the verge of being closed, I will add a hopefully positive note.

    No, the country is not in danger of being turned into a third world nation. We have a preeminent defense industry that ensures we will be the world's superpower and policeman for the foreseeable future. We have, by far, the best military in the world. Our economy is as strong as it has been in decades with more opportunities for more people than ever.
    I completely disagree.

    Rome was a superpower and had the best military in the world, too. Look what happened to them.

    Our defense industry is not used for defense. It's used to screw around with foreign affairs, and to help the military-industrial complex stay strong and make more money. It's currently being used to maintain the status quo in the petrochemical markets, because our economy is tied to oil. It has nothing to do with helping defend average Americans. We have not been in serious danger of armed foreign invasion since WWII ended.

    However, we are being invaded from our south by people bent on infiltrating our country for various reasons: jobs, crime, or reconquering "stolen" lands. What is our military doing about it? Nothing.

    Strong economy? You're kidding, right? The Dollar's value is in a free-fall, and real wages, adjusted for inflation, for average Americans (not CEOs) have been falling since the 70s. Most American families have both spouses working full-time to pay the bills; in past decades, only one had to work to provide a good income. Worse, with our current administration, deficit spending has hit an all-time high: our government is spending trillions of dollars it doesn't have. That means it's putting us in debt, and at some point we have to pay that back. Now we're looking at some serious problems with the mortgage lending industry, in a country where homeownership is an important piece of the economy's stability. In the meantime, consumer debt is at an all-time high and growing. This is NOT what I call a strong economy. I call it a house of cards.

    Moreover, respect of our gun rights has improved. More states have CCW laws and more people are carrying firearms for their personal protection. Despite the periodic setbacks and continued pounding by the media we are making positive progress.
    Improved? Since the 70s era when gun control really gained steam, sure. But that wasn't THAT long ago.

    And yes, if we help Mexico then we help ourselves. It is in our best interest that our southern neighbor prospers. Of course, without violating United States sovereignty or our laws. The whole Mexican truck issue is overblown and will help both Mexico and the United States. The cargo, trucks and drivers should be inspected and regulated.
    "Should be" and "are" are two different things. I don't see anything that makes me think they're going to be inspected and regulated whatsoever. After all, we have laws governing our borders, and who can cross it, but our government isn't doing squat to actually follow those laws. What makes you think this same government is actually going to enforce any laws about inspecting broken-down safety-hazard trucks from Mexico?

    No, it's NOT in our interest to "help Mexico". This is like "helping out" a drug addict. Would you give or loan money to a drug addict? He says he's going to use it to get a job, honest! If Mexico wants help, they need to help themselves. They can start by overthrowing their corrupt government. They have plenty of land, and tons of valuable natural resources, including oil. What's the problem? The problem is their government, and themselves. Their government has been crooked and corrupt since their country started; this is simply a reflection of the people. Either they support this, or they're unwilling to fix it. Either way, they have the government they deserve.

    If they want to join us as equal partners, they need to clean up their country first. It's not our responsibility to fix it for them. We have our own problems to deal with.

    We are actually living in the best times this country has ever seen. Can we improve? Of course. But I would never, ever choose to live in a different country than the United States of America. God Bless America.
    Again, this point is debatable. The post-war economic boom of the 50s was very good for average Americans, from what I've read. It had its problems of course (it probably wasn't as great if you were a minority), but overall, it was probably better in many ways than now. People seem to have a lot going for them now: big houses, big cars, etc. But it's all borrowed; remember the consumer debt I mentioned? It doesn't take much for it to all come crashing down.

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    dwolsten,
    I'm more inclined to agree with your take on the situation.
    Never before in our history have people been not only allowed, but encouraged , to illegally enter our country.
    And once here, afforded every possible social gratuity to encourage even more of them to come.
    It's absolutely outrageous!
    The trucker situation is just another thorn in our collective sides.
    I am going to persue this matter to find out exactly how, and to what extent, these trucks are inspected and regulated.
    Is a scenario wherein a truck full of Moslem extremists carrying all manner of weapons and dirty bombs so implausable if these trucks are indeed not being inspected?
    Contact the White House and your representatives and demand answers to these questions.
    It's imperative that they know we are watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwolsten View Post
    Rome was a superpower and had the best military in the world, too. Look what happened to them.
    I did not realize they were a Constitutional Rebublic founded in the late 1700s by Hamilton, Madison and Jay and many other American patriots. But, sure, it is obvious we will end up like Rome. Why didn't you use the Incas or Mayans for your analogy?

    Our defense industry is not used for defense.
    Are you speaking from experience? I work on missile defense, which is assuredly used for defense.


    It's used to screw around with foreign affairs, and to help the military-industrial complex stay strong and make more money.
    Is there a problem with making money and contributing to society? Would you prefer the miliary becomes weaker?

    It's currently being used to maintain the status quo in the petrochemical markets, because our economy is tied to oil.
    Yes, our national interest is currently tied to oil. Why do you think that is a problem? Is it preferable to shut our economy down? Personally, I would prefer to move to nuclear energy because it is clean, safe, and will ower our nation for hundreds of years.

    There are, however, many threats around the world that have nothing to do with oil. These mus be addressed even though the general publc is unaware of what is going on beyond their blindered view.

    It has nothing to do with helping defend average Americans. We have not been in serious danger of armed foreign invasion since WWII ended.
    You mean to say you are unaware of the dangers.

    However, we are being invaded from our south by people bent on infiltrating our country for various reasons: jobs, crime, or reconquering "stolen" lands. What is our military doing about it? Nothing.
    It is not a military issue. It is a border security issue that has not been handled properly.

    Strong economy? You're kidding, right? The Dollar's value is in a free-fall, and real wages, adjusted for inflation, for average Americans (not CEOs) have been falling since the 70s. Most American families have both spouses working full-time to pay the bills; in past decades, only one had to work to provide a good income.
    The economy is strong. Unemployment is at historically low levels. Everyone who wants a job has a job. Yes, many families require two incomes to support large houses, heated in winter and cooled in summer. They have multiple cars, cable TV, cell phones, ipods, designer clothes, computers, internet access, video games, and so much leisure time that vacations, cruises, and travel are now considered commonplace. Decades ago, these luxuries were not considered necessities. Real wages are actually improved and opportunities abound for anyone with the slightest bit of initiative.

    Worse, with our current administration, deficit spending has hit an all-time high: our government is spending trillions of dollars it doesn't have.
    It is another myth that deficit spending os detrimental. These are not personal finances. As our economy grows so does our nation's assets. This argument proved false a generation ago and it is still false.

    That means it's putting us in debt, and at some point we have to pay that back.
    Debt, in and of itself is not a bad thing. In fact, if it is invested wisely debt is absolutely a good thing. It creates economic activity and it creates money.

    "Now we're looking at some serious problems with the mortgage lending industry, in a country where homeownership is an important piece of the economy's stability."

    If you bought more than you can afford you absolutely deserve the consequencies. The free market is self correcting. We are a land of equal opportunities not equal outcomes.

    "In the meantime, consumer debt is at an all-time high and growing. This is NOT what I call a strong economy. I call it a house of cards."

    I have heard that for decades. All the while, our economy grows stronger...

    No, it's NOT in our interest to "help Mexico". This is like "helping out" a drug addict. Would you give or loan money to a drug addict? He says he's going to use it to get a job, honest!
    No, I would not give him money. I would give him a job if his skills were sufficient or an education that would give him an opportunity.

    The United States of America is, by far, the greatest nation on Earth.

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